Staff Dogs and Muzzles

liam8282

goater78 wrote: »

1) there was never any debate whether or not a staffie was on the dangerous dogs list. There is a debate whether they should be on the list and I see that many countries have banned them.

2) its been proven that one insurance company does not mention a Staffie in its exclusions. That does not prove that all insurers don't have an exclusion.

Just 1 minute on google has found the following two places that won't let Staffies in. People don't turn business away without a good reason.

http://www.dogbasics.co.uk/dogsitting/daycare.html
http://www.happytailsdogcreche.co.uk/

If only you read before you posted

http://www.dogbasics.co.uk/dogsitting/daycare.html

"There are unfortunately also a few breeds that don't work out very well in our home, not due to size, but because our own dog has had some bad experiences with them and therefore won't be very nice to them."

It is not a dog kennel, it is dog sitting. There are no insurance issues, they own a dog that doesn't get on with other dogs. Nothing to do with the staffordshire bull terrier breed.

http://www.happytailsdogcreche.co.uk/

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Helvetica, sans-serif]Most breeds of dog. However, some breeds, which include Staffordshire Bull Terriors and Rottweilers, are not suitable for this environment.[/FONT]

Again nothing to do with insurance, just the owner of the business own personal preference, or ignorance.

liam8282

goater78 wrote: »

1) there was never any debate whether or not a staffie was on the dangerous dogs list. There is a debate whether they should be on the list and I see that many countries have banned them.

Which countries?

goater78 wrote: »

1)2) its been proven that one insurance company does not mention a Staffie in its exclusions. That does not prove that all insurers don't have an exclusion.

Have you shown an insurance company that does exclude them?

Welshwoofs

liam8282 wrote: »

Have you shown an insurance company that does exclude them?

I'd think there most certainly are insurers who have them on an exclusion list. I've got a Neapolitan Mastiff and have lots of issues renting dog-friendly holiday accommodation because quite often, stuck in the small print, is an exclusion on every giant breed dog around.

However what is a fallacy is the belief that no insurers will insure a canine-related business for Staffies. Petplan is the biggest insurer out there and they clearly don't exclude anything other than those breeds on the Dangerous Dogs' List.

In upshot, all that can be said is that if a kennel has signed up to insurance that excludes certain breeds then they'll turn them away. If they changed insurers they would find ones that allow them, but presumably they're not willing to do that for the sake of the odd enquiry to kennel a Staffie.

In general there's some very odd attitudes to Staffies on this list (dare I say, ignorance?) Any dog can be dangerous - it's deed, not breed. It's rather obvious though that if a certain section of society who buy dogs as aggressive status symbols favour a certain breed, then you'll have more dogs of that breed exhibiting aggression (because they've been trained to) and they'll sadly, and erroneously, get a bad name as a breed.

MentalMinnie

Any dog can be dangerous, my poodle used to pack quite a bite til she mellowed out in recent years. Now she's know to be quite the little tart when people come up to pet her.

I would like to point out that she only ever bit me.

Herongull

The OP was quite right to involve the police. The owner of the staffie is potentially guilty of an offence (allowing a dog to be dangerously out of control) and could be prosecuted

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9264919/More-dangerous-dog-owners-to-be-jailed-under-new-guidelines.html

http://www.kettering.gov.uk/info/612/dogs-registration/1322/dangerous_dogs

Any dog that is dangerously out of control is a dangerous dog!

gregg1

liam8282 wrote: »

So your friend and goaters friend both say that staffordshire bull terriers cannot get insurance at public companies, so it must be true.

NO, it isn't true, it is still absolute RUBBISH!

That's rather an arrogant, rude and unnecessary post.

There are many boarding kennels which will not take these dogs. That is a fact, whether you want to believe it or not! It is also true that I know someone who was given the reason of insurance for not taking the dog. Again, you saying it is rubbish does not mean it did not happen.

gregg1

liam8282 wrote: »

I think the second quote answers the first.

As I said, Staffordshire Bull Terriers are NOT registered under the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991. There are no issues with insurance.

There ARE issues with SOME insurers.

gregg1

Welshwoofs wrote: »

I'd think there most certainly are insurers who have them on an exclusion list. I've got a Neapolitan Mastiff and have lots of issues renting dog-friendly holiday accommodation because quite often, stuck in the small print, is an exclusion on every giant breed dog around.

However what is a fallacy is the belief that no insurers will insure a canine-related business for Staffies. Petplan is the biggest insurer out there and they clearly don't exclude anything other than those breeds on the Dangerous Dogs' List.

In upshot, all that can be said is that if a kennel has signed up to insurance that excludes certain breeds then they'll turn them away. If they changed insurers they would find ones that allow them, but presumably they're not willing to do that for the sake of the odd enquiry to kennel a Staffie.

In general there's some very odd attitudes to Staffies on this list (dare I say, ignorance?) Any dog can be dangerous - it's deed, not breed. It's rather obvious though that if a certain section of society who buy dogs as aggressive status symbols favour a certain breed, then you'll have more dogs of that breed exhibiting aggression (because they've been trained to) and they'll sadly, and erroneously, get a bad name as a breed.

You make a good point about it being all about the exclusions specific insurance companies place in their policies. I think my friend was unlucky that the few she rang in her area obviously have these exclusions in their policies, probably because insurance premiums are becoming prohibitively expensive for companies to take out these days so they cut particular areas of cover to reduce the premium. I know I have certainly been looking for ways to reduce my insurance premiums, like many other people these days, so a business is certainly going to do the same.

maybe the loss of revenue for that particular breed is not as great as the premium increase would be. It may not make sense to an owner of an STB but it probably makes sense to the owner of the kennels.

liam8282

gregg1 wrote: »

There ARE issues with SOME insurers.

Which insurer because nobody has actually shown one yet, shouldn't be too difficult to ask your friend and let us know.

System

liam8282 wrote: »

Which insurer because nobody has actually shown one yet, shouldn't be too difficult to ask your friend and let us know.

It was me with the friend not him. I'll ask next time I see her. You've not explained though why if Staffies are perfectly safe do some places not allow them?