Staff Dogs and Muzzles

System

I feel we are going around on circles. I believe as already discussed bull terriers are seen as dog aggressive eg aggressive to other dogs. Not aggressive to people. That is why kennels etc are reluctant to take them

Fosterdog

goater78 wrote: »

I'm on my phone so can't publish links but I seem to remember seeing they were banned in the UAE, banned in some parts of Canada, on the restricted list in Bermuda, possibly restricted in Denmark and under the threat of being banned in Norway, Australia etc. just google it. I imagine many other countries ban them as well. I've not checked.

Lets be honest you're user name indicates you have an affinity for dogs so you're hardly impartial. If someone slagged off goats I would be equally annoyed :-)

Your right I do love dogs, in fact I'm the same about all animals but that has nothing to do with this.

I googled staffies being banned and searched for counties alphabetically and the only place they are 100% banned is Germany. Also restricted in France. They may be restricted or facing restriction in other countries too but I didn't find any set in stone evidence of it on my search. Ontario, Canada has some people petitioning for their banning but it's nowhere near being passed as law and it's more about Pit Bull Types than staffies. The same goes for Queensland, Australia.

The public petitioning for something certainly doesn't make it true or a fact and it could go either way in the future. A banned breed is very different to a restricted breed

Canada has it's own breed club for Staffies and they are shown in conformation there, unlikely to ban a breed that's still recognised by their regulatory body on dogs and welcome imported dogs for shows and bloodlines. Same goes for Australia, Norway and Denmark.

In Bermuda Staffs were downgraded from a banned breed to a restricted breed in 2010, at the same time as rotties, dobies, GSDs and some others as they are starting to relax their strict dog laws, they have more banned/restricted breeds than allowed breeds.

When you can post the links to back up your claim I will take more notice, I can't post links to disprove it as the links don't exist because the only list published are off banned breeds and not of allowed breeds.

As for UAE, this is a quote of their legislation:

There are 16 dog breeds prohibited by Dubai Municipality. They are American Staffordshire Terrier, American Pit Bull Terrier, American Bull Dog, Bull Terrier, Old English Bull Dog, American Staffordshire Bull Terrier, Tosa, Husky, Doberman, Shar Pei, Perro de proso Malloquin/Bull Dog, Neapolitan Mastiff, Argentinean Mastiff, Miniature Bull Terrier, Canary dog fila Brazilerio/ Brazilian Mastiff and Rottweiler

The American Staffordshire Terrier and American Staffordshire Bull Terrier are completely different breeds to the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, as the names suggest they are american breeds that originated with our british staffie but have been out crossed for many years to creat different breeds.

While rechecking all of the places you've posted I did find that they are also banned in Turks & Caicos but none of the others you mentioned

Fosterdog

goater78 wrote: »

I feel we are going around on circles. I believe as already discussed bull terriers are seen as dog aggressive eg aggressive to other dogs. Not aggressive to people. That is why kennels etc are reluctant to take them

But your argument all along has been that kennels won't take them because they can't get insurance, now it's because the kennel owners are reluctant. Which is it?

I volunteer for one main rescue but also help with several others all of which sometimes have to use private boarding kennels if they are over-run with dogs and I have never seen any breed turned away from any kennel and they will all be covered by insurance. I know of twelve privately run places within a few miles of my home that are all more than happy to take staffs, I can't vouch for the hundreds of others around the country but any that refuse the breed are the exception rather than the norm.

System

They are on this list for the UAE.

http://www.expatwoman.com/dubai/monthly_faqs_banned_dogs_UAE_9591.aspx

System

Not banned but on a dangerous list for Spain which means they must be muzzled at all times (which is all I think the uk should do)

http://www.from-english-to-spanish.com/dogs-to-spain.html

System

Restricted in Portugal

http://portugal.angloinfo.com/family/pets/dangerous-dogs/

System

goater78 wrote: »

Not banned but on a dangerous list for Spain which means they must be muzzled at all times (which is all I think the uk should do)

http://www.from-english-to-spanish.com/dogs-to-spain.html

Actually they only need to be muzzled when in public.

System

!!!!!! wrote: »

Actually they only need to be muzzled when in public.

Well yes that's a given. It's a bit cruel to muzzle them 24/7 at home. How would they eat!

Fosterdog

Well these are the links for UEA that don't include them on the list, like yours they are not official pages and could be made by anyone and don't necessarily give actual facts.

http://www.americanvet.ae/site/view/186820_ImportingPetsFAQs.pml (american staff is listed but not british)

http://www.britvet.com/oldsite/images/pdf/Transport/Import%20to%20UAE%20Info_s.pdf (am-staff not british)

http://www.hziegler.com/articles/bringing-your-pets-to-middle-east.html (am-staff not british)

http://www.expatforum.com/expats/dubai-expat-forum-expats-living-dubai/8301-urgent-help-needed-staffordshire-bull-terrier-banned-breed-uae-2.html (a forum for expats asking about importing staffs to UAE and yes you can)

That's just 4 of a large number of links saying the same thing, although neither of us have posted links to an actual official government site but I can't seem to find one that has any info on banned dogs

Gottodothis

I have a staffy he is nine.

He has never bitten or attacked another dog or indeed a peson.

He has however been attacked four times. Twice by a labrador who was know to police as he had attacked many times before and twice by ignorant mindless humans.

They gave him a good kick cos he's a staffy.

I also have a very pretty fox hound cross........He has to be muzzled in public. The amount of people who complain when i'm out that the wrong dog is muzzled. Their resoning is because he isnt a bull breed and very pretty he cannot possibly be nasty.

The Staff in this case should have been muzzled not cos he's a staffy but because he is vicious.

I am suprised that your puppy had jabs at six weeks. As part of a rescue that often has tiny puppies i have never yet found a vet that will innoculate at six weeks.