Staff Dogs and Muzzles

System

Fosterdog wrote: »

Well these are the links for UEA that don't include them on the list, like yours they are not official pages and could be made by anyone and don't necessarily give actual facts.

http://www.americanvet.ae/site/view/186820_ImportingPetsFAQs.pml (american staff is listed but not british)

http://www.britvet.com/oldsite/images/pdf/Transport/Import%20to%20UAE%20Info_s.pdf (am-staff not british)

http://www.hziegler.com/articles/bringing-your-pets-to-middle-east.html (am-staff not british)

http://www.expatforum.com/expats/dubai-expat-forum-expats-living-dubai/8301-urgent-help-needed-staffordshire-bull-terrier-banned-breed-uae-2.html (a forum for expats asking about importing staffs to UAE and yes you can)

That's just 4 of a large number of links saying the same thing, although neither of us have posted links to an actual official government site but I can't seem to find one that has any info on banned dogs

There's only one way we can resolve this. You need to get a Staffie and jump on a flight to Dubai. You can then report back on whether they let you both in :-)

Fosterdog

Actually if you look at my forth link a british expat has done just that and his staffy was allow in

Fosterdog

goater78 wrote: »

Not banned but on a dangerous list for Spain which means they must be muzzled at all times (which is all I think the uk should do)

http://www.from-english-to-spanish.com/dogs-to-spain.html

Don't forget your original statement was that they are BANNED in MANY countries, now you are just proving that they are just restricted and your previous statement was either a mistake or a lie.

That link again is not to an official site, in fact it looks like it was designed by a child, it doesn't give a specific list and I can't find another link that lists staffs as banned in spain, although I've only done one quick search, pit bulls yes but not staffs, again there are restrictions in place but that's not the same as banned

I'm very doubtful of this one as my vets husband is spanish and they have three staffs and regularly take them back to spain with them when they visit, I've never actually asked about any restrictions but I will check what their personal experience has been, they may well keep them muzzled whilst there.

goater78 wrote: »

Restricted in Portugal

http://portugal.angloinfo.com/family/pets/dangerous-dogs/

Again a restriction not a ban on them. Also notice that the "dangerous" dogs in Portugal only have to wear a harness and short lead, not a muzzle.

System

Ok I will downgrade my statement to restricted in many countries. Either way its not a good sign for the breed that its specifically stated in several countries as being a dangerous dog breed.

It's hardly something to celebrate as vindicating the dogs reputation

Honeydog

Pups are covered for accidents under the insurance you get from decent breeders.

I_know_my_ABC_and_my_CMYK

I was bitten as a child by a toy (?) Poodle. It made one hell of a mess of me, I was very lucky.

My niece is a vet and she says that Staffies are no worse than any other dog, they have a bad rep due to the Pit bull terrier which is banned. Staffies are actually couch potatoes, and they love families who will cuddle them and play with them.

My DIL brother has one and he has taken photos of her sitting in a swing, on the see saw, coming down the slide, on a rocking horse etc, she is a real poser lol

liam8282

goater78 wrote: »

Ok I will downgrade my statement to restricted in many countries. Either way its not a good sign for the breed that its specifically stated in several countries as being a dangerous dog breed.

It's hardly something to celebrate as vindicating the dogs reputation

Most of the statements you have made are factually incorrect.

Instead of downgrading the comments, it would help if you "think before you speak", or at least do a bit of research before making comments.

liam8282

gregg1 wrote: »

I really am not sure how many more times and how many different ways I can tell you that what I posted was true. I cannot force you to believe what myself and others have pointed out and to be honest, I am past caring whether you do or don't. You state you have disproved my comments. You have done nothing of the sort.

Just because somebody tells you something does not make it true. I challenged what you and goater were saying, that certain places refused SBT on insurance grounds and I am yet to see any evidence of it. In fact all I have seen is the opposite as provided by goater.

gregg1 wrote: »

I should not have written that your post was rude and arrogant and for that I apologise, but to be fair, it is not exactly polite to imply people are liars or single handedly responsible for bringing the reputation of a particular breed into disrepute is it?

I am not implying that people are liars, I am simply asking for some sort of support for the statement that was made. How hard would it be to ask the friend and tell us the name of the business that refused SBT on insurance grounds?

I stand by my statement that repeated, negative, incorrect, comments about SBT, further the unwarranted bad public image of this dog breed.

Madjock

pulliptears wrote: »

Top ten most aggressive dogs in the UK:

Dachshunds
Chihuahua
Jack Russell
Australian Cattle Dog
Cocker Spaniel
Beagle
Border Collie
Pit Bull Terrier
Great Dane
English Springer Spaniel


From here http://www.dogbiteclaims.co.uk/dangerous-breeds.html

That surprises me not one iota. And not a Staffordshire Bull in sight

So, I'd be interested to learn when dog sitters, kennels etc are going to ban sausage dogs

I have a border collie, so she's up there in the top 10. Border collies appear on the list (I understand) because they are working dogs more usually to be found on farms. My sister was bitten when very young by a border collie on a farm. She tried to cuddle it and the dog didn't take kindly to it, being more used to avoiding the farmer's wellie boot than getting kissed from a 4 yr old.

I know a lot of people with a lot of dogs and did have the staffie prejudice myself before I got my little princess. My little princess is aggressive towards other dogs sometimes and does not like puppies AT ALL. Adult dog aggression towards pups is part of the cycle of learning, it's how puppies learn to behave by being told off by adult dogs. And before you start, I'm NOT CONDONING WHAT THE STAFFIE IN QUESTION DID.

My little princess is adorable, friendly, loves people and other dogs, loves socialising, but I know her limits and the signals to watch out for that indicate she's going to have a growl at a puppy.

As for the person who recommended all dogs being muzzled at all times, are you having a laugh? Don't project your fear and prejudice onto animals that you obviously know nothing or very little about.

gregg1

liam8282 wrote: »

Just because somebody tells you something does not make it true. I challenged what you and goater were saying, that certain places refused SBT on insurance grounds and I am yet to see any evidence of it. In fact all I have seen is the opposite as provided by goater.




I am not implying that people are liars, I am simply asking for some sort of support for the statement that was made. How hard would it be to ask the friend and tell us the name of the business that refused SBT on insurance grounds?

I stand by my statement that repeated, negative, incorrect, comments about SBT, further the unwarranted bad public image of this dog breed.

Because, unlike you I really could not give a stuff about people's perceptions of this breed of dog and am certainly not bothered enough to jump to your tune!

You chose not to believe what I said, that is your choice. Deal with the fact that some people are of the opinion the breed is deserving of it's reputation however unpalatable it may be to your over sensitive nature.