Cost of Food & Obesity Amongst Poorer People

breadlinebetty

mrcow wrote: »

Not the 8000 calories that you stated in your original post though. You seem to be back pedalling rather quickly.

20 stone for many women is morbidly obese. To maintain that, they could do so on 2500 calories a day.

MrCow

Why don't you accept the fact that morbidly obese people consume a vast amount of calories?

OK, this isn't an example of obesity, but it should go some way to you understanding that body bulk requires X amount of calories to keep its weight stable.

Fatima Whitbread who was muscular (not fat, I admit) she had to consume 8000 calories a day to keep her bulk up.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/fashion/2012/jul/06/fatima-whitbread-mirror

I'll ty to find a better example for you.....

breadlinebetty

posh*spice wrote: »

Last time (I promise) but how the heck does anyone end up like this? And WHO gives then food!

Are you getting these pictures from the BBW site? You know, the Big Beautiful Women one?

I saw a TV programme which featured a woman who made the one above look quite slender. She was heaving her bulk along the road (her body had disformed out of shape due to all the fat) and as she spoke to the reporter, she compared herself to Marilyn Monroe. She said:

"Marilyn Monroe was curvy, too...and look how all the men fancied her!!"

breadlinebetty

N1AK wrote: »

Someone eats 200 calories more per day than needed to maintain their weight. Over a year that is 73000 calories which would equate to roughly 24lb. That behaviour continued for 5 years would increase their weight by 120lbs: 8.5 Stone.

So it begs the question why everyone else here is doing the 'maths' yet you're the one suggesting it and obviously completely ignoring mathematics and facts because in breadlinebetty-land you need to eat 10 square meals a day to be overweight.

Why should I bother to get my calculator out when kind people like you will work it out for me? I'm too busy laughing to faff about with calculators.

COMMON SENSE alone tells you that you need to eat a whole lot more than 2000 cals a day to reach 74 stone!!!!:rotfl:

breadlinebetty

Here's a link to a book that details a trial they did on obesity.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/08/health/08fat.html

A 1959 experiment on very low calorie dieting found that "fat people who lost large amounts of weight might look like someone who was never fat, but they were very different. In fact, by every metabolic measurement, they seemed like people who were starving....The Rockefeller subjects also had a psychiatric syndrome, called semi-starvation neurosis, which had been noticed before in people of normal weight who had been starved. They dreamed of food, they fantasized about food or about breaking their diet. They were anxious and depressed; some had thoughts of suicide. They secreted food in their rooms. And they binged."

and

Dr. Ethan Sims at the University of Vermont...asked what would happen if thin people who had never had a weight problem deliberately got fat.

His subjects were prisoners at a nearby state prison who volunteered to gain weight. With great difficulty, they succeeded, increasing their weight by 20 percent to 25 percent. But it took them four to six months, eating as much as they could every day. Some consumed 10,000 calories a day, an amount so incredible that it would be hard to believe, were it not for the fact that there were attendants present at each meal who dutifully recorded everything the men ate.

Once the men were fat, their metabolisms increased by 50 percent. They needed more than 2,700 calories per square meter of their body surface to stay fat but needed just 1,800 calories per square meter to maintain their normal weight.

When the study ended, the prisoners had no trouble losing weight. Within months, they were back to normal and effortlessly stayed there.

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So, they only increased their body weight by 20%, yet needed an extra 900 calories for every square metre of bad they had, to maintain their weight.

And they didn't eat themselves to 30 stone - let alone 74 stone!

mrcow

breadlinebetty wrote: »

MrCow

Why don't you accept the fact that morbidly obese people consume a vast amount of calories?

I'm not disputing anything other than your rather spurious and random claims on how much an obese person needs to eat to maintain their weight.

It is NOT 8000 calories.

Trying to bring 74 stone people or Olympic athletes into it makes no sense - we're talking about your average clinically obese person on benefits here - not some freak that's so usually fat that they have a tv program made about them.

You were wrong in what you said.

breadlinebetty

mrcow wrote: »

I'm not disputing anything other than your rather spurious and random claims on how much an obese person needs to eat to maintain their weight.

It is NOT 8000 calories.

Trying to bring 74 stone people or Olympic athletes into it makes no sense - we're talking about your average clinically obese person on benefits here - not some freak that's so usually fat that they have a tv program made about them.

You were wrong in what you said.

You're sounding rattled...I hope I haven't hit a nerve with you!

It's very rude of you to call human beings freaks, just because they're suffering from an illness that causes them to gorge on food. Shame on you.

Would you sneer at and call an anorexic a freak? People with severe eating disorders often die - how cruel of you to call them freaks!!!:mad:

And that putrid little man, Brit (aka Re-Wired) has thanked your comment. Urgh!!!

And why are you lumping all clinically obese people with those on benefits? Some clinically obese people work. You really are judgmental aren't you?:(

aliasojo

breadlinebetty wrote: »

OK, this isn't an example of obesity, but it should go some way to you understanding that body bulk requires X amount of calories to keep its weight stable.

Fatima Whitbread who was muscular (not fat, I admit) she had to consume 8000 calories a day to keep her bulk up.

You're comparing apples with pears.

Muscle burns more cals than fat, so a muscular person requires more cals. It's a whole world away from obese people, their calorific requirements and how their bodies utilise their calorie intake.

You giving that example proves that you're mistaken in your thoughts.

You are also now being rude and argumentative which is spoiling an otherwise interesting thread.

breadlinebetty

aliasojo wrote: »

You're comparing apples with pears.

Muscle burns more cals than fat, so a muscular person requires more cals. It's a whole world away from obese people, their calorific requirements and how their bodies utilise their calorie intake.

You giving that example proves that you're mistaken in your thoughts.

You are also now being rude and argumentative which is spoiling an otherwise interesting thread.

Tell me how using Fatima Whitbread's calorie intake when an athlete is rude?

If you look through the posts I think you'll find some posters on here have been extremely rude, insulting and arrogant! Don't lump me all with them, thank you.

By the way, I'm not sure if it was subliminal or not, but your 'apple and pear' comparison is very apt!!:T

homelessskilledworker

The main problem I have in becoming obese is that I cannot afford too, and on so many levels. The main issue is that I cannot work if I become obese(and I love work), and that junk food in many cases is just so expensive.
We must be one of the only societies in the history of mankind that has a huge group of people that is able to become vastly over weight through not working and have it blamed on poverty.

The other night I picked up 2 1/2LB some good quality sirloin that was just about to go out of date which was reduced in price and probably had more taste. I then filled a basket with veg and made a good beef stock and made an amazing stew, Mmmmm. Come home from a hard days graft and have a bowl of that with some nice crusty bread and it probably worked out less than £2 quid per serving.

Too be eating takeaways and processed meals when you do not work and have plenty of time shows a huge amount of laziness and lack of responsibilty.

breadlinebetty

OK, this man ate himself up to 70 stone.

He consumed over 20,000 calories a day.

In which case is it not feasible that a man half that size could eat 8000 calories to reach 30 stone?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3329169/Worlds-fattest-man-tells-of-heartache-that-led-to-obesity.html