Cost of Food & Obesity Amongst Poorer People

breadlinebetty

adouglasmhor wrote: »

National obesity forum are a self appointed charity, fair enough they are mostly health care profesionals. But they are not the only school of thought or people doing research on the subject.

Calories consumed > calories used = weight gain is true.
but Calories used is can be affected by Calories consumed and what sort of food they are from as can Calories Consumed - some foods cause people to be hungry faster, some make you turgid and inactive, some cause fat to be deposited and muscle to be burned, the calories in calories out has been touted for years and we are still seeing an obesity epedemic. It's not enough on it's own.

Do you mind if I pinch that quote?:)

adouglasmhor

Feel free it's in the public domain now.

Gracchus_Babeuf

CLAPTON wrote: »

when you say you have seen people who eat little but are fat and seen slim people who eat all day, is this simply your subjective view or based on proper analysis of their diet?

Absolutely on analysis. Metabolism is different in everybody and some people put on weight more easily than others - this is fact. There are some people who have had gastric bands fitted and, following an initial loss of weight, managed to put it all back on.

breadlinebetty

N1AK wrote: »

The fact you can't remember your point from post to post is not my problem. I was pointing out that you can eat very badly for far less than £50 a day.

Basing your premise on what you've seen 'on tellie' demonstrates the vacuity of your point. Surely you should be able to work out for yourself that someone could not consume a diet like that on a sustained basis, nor could they afford to on benefits.



Calm down dear; I was calling you a hypocrite. I could not care less about what you think you know about healthy eating.

Say what you like (if it makes you feel better) but the fact is that someone morbidly obese needs to maintain their weight, and by doing that they need to consume a staggering amount of calories if they weigh about 40 stone, like the woman in the picture probably does. If she were to eat, say, 3000 calories a day - given her bulk and weight - she'd probably lose weight!

So morbidly obese people HAVE to eat somewhere in the region of 8000 calories a day to maintain their weight. If a standard pizza is about 1000 calories they would need 8 of those just to maintain their weight.

Now I don't know where you live, but round my way a delivery pizza is around £10.....so do the maths.

Don't forget, morbidly obese people such as the woman in the picture can't hop on a bus and go to their local supermarket......they must have their food delivered.:money:

CLAPTON

Gracchus_Babeuf wrote: »

Absolutely on analysis. Metabolism is different in everybody and some people put on weight more easily than others - this is fact. There are some people who have had gastric bands fitted and, following an initial loss of weight, managed to put it all back on.

Can you quote the scientific medical research which shows major difference in body chemistry that lead to some-one eating very little but puts on weight whereas some-one who eats all day doesn't.
I'm not questioning there are differences but I know of no evidence these are significant to our obesity epidemic.

mrcow

breadlinebetty wrote: »

So morbidly obese people HAVE to eat somewhere in the region of 8000 calories a day to maintain their weight.

That is simply untrue. You are making figures up with little knowledge of what you're talking about.

A thirty stone woman would have to consume just over 3000 calories to maintain their weight.

A twenty stone (morbidly obese) woman would need to consume about 2500 calories to maintain their weight.

wotsthat

Gracchus_Babeuf wrote: »

Absolutely on analysis. Metabolism is different in everybody and some people put on weight more easily than others - this is fact. There are some people who have had gastric bands fitted and, following an initial loss of weight, managed to put it all back on.

Everyone has a different metabolism. Not that different though - probably a bell curve shape. At the edges there will be people who have medical conditions that impact their weight. The majority will be putting weight on because they eat too much and exercise too little.

I've got around 3 pounds of fat covering my stomach that I would rather went away - I know exactly why it's there and why it doesn't go away and it's more to do with my liking of red wine than my metabolism.

I'd guess that rich and poor are randomly distributed on the weight bell curve and are no less or more likely to have true medical conditions. If poor people are fatter than rich people it's because they are making poorer choices for whatever reasons.

breadlinebetty

Gracchus_Babeuf wrote: »

Absolutely on analysis. Metabolism is different in everybody and some people put on weight more easily than others - this is fact. There are some people who have had gastric bands fitted and, following an initial loss of weight, managed to put it all back on.

Actually, the reason people with gastric bands put the weight back on is they develop crafty ways to in which to stuff the calories down. Sometimes they persevere so much that they actually end up snapping the band!

Some of them liquidise whole roast dinners and spoon the liquid down their throats. Some of them slowly eat buckets of ice cream or thick creamy milk shakes, liquidised chocolate, cocktails......they can even build up to eventually being capable of downing a curry and rice without throwing it all back up or feeling fit to burst.

Look at Ann Diamond and Fen Britton. Both had gastric bands fitted and now seem to be putting the weigh all back on.....Ann Diamond actually admitted she liquidises junk food and drinks it. I don't know how Fern's putting the weight back on, but she's definitely gained a good couple of stone in the last year...

breadlinebetty

mrcow wrote: »

That is simply untrue. You are making figures up with little knowledge of what you're talking about.

A thirty stone woman would have to consume just over 3000 calories to maintain their weight.

A twenty stone (morbidly obese) woman would need to consume about 2500 calories to maintain their weight.

I'm not making up figures at all!

Who are you to say what knowledge I have? You don't know me.

Look it up if you don't want to believe me : anyone weighing 30 stone needs a huge amount of calories just to keep their bodies ticking over. The larger you are the more calories the body needs to keep you alive.

Athletes can consume up to 8000 caloies a day just to maintain their bulk (albeit muscular) and to compensate for the enegy their bodies use.

OK, a morbidly obese person wouldn't be exercising, but their body would still need a vast amount of calories to sustain their weight. A 30 stone woman would lose weight if she were to consume 3000 cals a day. It would be a slow loss, but it would be a loss nontheless, until she reached a plateau and had to reduce her calorie intake even more.

As I said before, a woman of average height and weight needs around 2200 calories to maintain their weight. You're saying that a woman who weighs at least 3 times that would not lose weight on just 800 extra calories a day???

mrcow

breadlinebetty wrote: »

I'm not making up figures at all!

Who are you to say what knowledge I have? You don't know me.

Look it up if you don't want to believe me : anyone weighing 30 stone needs a huge amount of calories just to keep their bodies ticking over. The larger you are the more calories the body needs to keep you alive.

Athletes can consume up to 8000 caloies a day just to maintain their bulk (albeit muscular) and to compensate for the enegy their bodies use.

OK, a morbidly obese person wouldn't be exercising, but their body would still need a vast amount of calories to sustain their weight. A 30 stone woman would lose weight if she were to consume 3000 cals a day. It would be a slow loss, but it would be a loss nontheless, until she reached a plateau and had to reduce her calorie intake even more.

As I said before, a woman of average height and weight needs around 2200 calories to maintain their weight. You're saying that a woman who weighs at least 3 times that would not lose weight on just 800 extra calories a day???

Not the 8000 calories that you stated in your original post though. You seem to be back pedalling rather quickly.

20 stone for many women is morbidly obese. To maintain that, they could do so on 2500 calories a day.