Cost of Food & Obesity Amongst Poorer People

wotsthat

adouglasmhor wrote: »

Calories consumed > calories used = weight gain is true.
but Calories used is can be affected by Calories consumed and what sort of food they are from as can Calories Consumed - some foods cause people to be hungry faster, some make you turgid and inactive, some cause fat to be deposited and muscle to be burned, the calories in calories out has been touted for years and we are still seeing an obesity epedemic. It's not enough on it's own.

Using more calories than those consumed WILL lead to weight loss.

Completely agree that this knowledge isn't enough on it's own. Firstly individuals have to acknowledge that if they want to lose weight the responsibility is mainly theirs. Secondly, just how much do we want governments to interfere - for example I just see no place for sugary carbonated drinks like Coke or 7-Up - should they be banned or only no sugar versions be allowed? Should VAT be used as a tool? Who decides what's good and bad?

adouglasmhor

In the last 3 months I have eaten meat once, fish maybe 8 times and dairy or eggs not every single day, still hit protein levels every non fast day. Slice of wholemeal bread just under 4g of protein, and that's a Cholrey wood method one, higher for home made sourdough.

adouglasmhor

wotsthat wrote: »

Using more calories than those consumed WILL lead to weight loss.

Completely agree that this knowledge isn't enough on it's own. Firstly individuals have to acknowledge that if they want to lose weight the responsibility is mainly theirs. Secondly, just how much do we want governments to interfere - for example I just see no place for sugary carbonated drinks like Coke or 7-Up - should they be banned or only no sugar versions be allowed? Should VAT be used as a tool? Who decides what's good and bad?

But just cutting Calories can mean you use less in some (not all)cases, choosing the right foods and getting active are the other bits of the puzzle.

And water I just realised I haven't filled my water mug yet today.

Edited to add, some no sugar ones effect hunger as well I think.

martyn4764

posh*spice wrote: »

Well maybe she does

So glad sh'es been rendered completely unidentifiable by blacking out her eyes

N1AK

breadlinebetty wrote: »

You've completely missed the point

The fact you can't remember your point from post to post is not my problem. I was pointing out that you can eat very badly for far less than £50 a day.

Basing your premise on what you've seen 'on tellie' demonstrates the vacuity of your point. Surely you should be able to work out for yourself that someone could not consume a diet like that on a sustained basis, nor could they afford to on benefits.

breadlinebetty wrote: »

And don't call me ignorant about healthy eating. I guarantee I know more about healthy eating than you do! Just looking at your menu shows what little you know about nutrition.

Calm down dear; I was calling you a hypocrite. I could not care less about what you think you know about healthy eating.

N1AK

breadlinebetty wrote: »

Some vegetables contain small traces of protein

Spinach ~5g a cup, green peas ~8g a cup or an avocado ~10g.

Beyond which it's not like yoghurt, cheese, nuts, seeds, tofu, lentils, soybeans or eggs are rare or expensive food sources.

For someone with such a high opinion of their nutritional knowledge it seems odd this wasn't apparent to you.

I love my meat but anyone who thinks having a healthy diet without it these days is remotely difficult is ignorant, out of date or both.

PaulF81

breadlinebetty wrote: »

That is tragic!

I don't believe she just eats too much - she has an eating disorder.

It's actually very sad.

no,she eats too much and is lazy. its actually a very good demonstration of darwinism and someone emoving themselves from the gene pool, firstly through reduced lifespan and secondly i dont know anyone who would go near it.

Gracchus_Babeuf

breadlinebetty wrote: »

Statistics show that most wealthy people generally tend to be slim, whilst obesity is more prevalent amongst poorer people.

Now, I know some people will say that wealthier people can afford to eat fruit, veg, fresh fish etc and go to the gym etc - and to some extent that's true.

But I still don't understand why poorer people suffer from obesity while rich people tend not to? Take exercise for example, if someone doesn't have much money, then surely walking or cycling are cheaper options than going to the gym? Walking cost nothing.

And junk food....that's no cheaper than fresh healthy food.

Instead of, say, paying £3.50 for Saveloy and chips, why not bake a spud and fill it with beans or an egg? Much tastier, healthier and cheaper too. And less fattening.

How do poorer obese people manage to maintain their bulk? I've seen some of them on TV who are unemployed and claim to eat Chinese take-aways almost every night! How do they afford that? And if they can afford a take-away every night why can't they make some healthy low-fat meals at home?

I don't believe it's just to do with education: dietery advice is in every doctors' surgey, hospital, newspapers, magazines etc.....

But I've digressed somewhat....I'm not so much asking WHY poorer people eat the way they do - I'm just curious how they can afford to eat so much?:cool:

I would not believe these statistics without taking a large helping of salt. Firstly, many people are obese because of various genetic or metabolic problems, not because of huge overeating. I've seen some very fat people who eat moderately and several slim people who stay slim despite eating non-stop all day. Having said that, it's probably true that the typical working class supper is something fried or a take-away, while the middle class person is more likely to have a more varied diet. Poorer people are also more likely to eat junk food like crisps, sweets, etc, as they are cheap.

CLAPTON

Gracchus_Babeuf wrote: »

I would not believe these statistics without taking a large helping of salt. Firstly, many people are obese because of various genetic or metabolic problems, not because of huge overeating. I've seen some very fat people who eat moderately and several slim people who stay slim despite eating non-stop all day. Having said that, it's probably true that the typical working class supper is something fried or a take-away, while the middle class person is more likely to have a more varied diet. Poorer people are also more likely to eat junk food like crisps, sweets, etc, as they are cheap.

when you say you have seen people who eat little but are fat and seen slim people who eat all day, is this simply your subjective view or based on proper analysis of their diet?

wotsthat

Gracchus_Babeuf wrote: »

I've seen some very fat people who eat moderately and several slim people who stay slim despite eating non-stop all day.

I know someone that had a gastric band fitted around 4 years ago. They've managed to put on a stone in each of those years. I happen to know that they are partial to liquidised gateau. She's currently trying to convince her doctor that she's a medical miracle based on the made up diet diary that she completes (and believes).

No-one defies the laws of physics - a fuller picture usually sheds more light.