Cost of Food & Obesity Amongst Poorer People

wotsthat

adouglasmhor wrote: »

The old less in more out has been touted since before I was born, it's not working for many people, it's an easy option to blame them, the whole diet industry relies on this guilt tripping, judgemental shtick - who do you think is better to comment on the subject, highly qualified research scientists or some housewife with a franchise in a pyramid scheme that sells "diet water" ?

Calories consumed > calories used = weight gain

I once attended a lecture by Dr. Ian Campbell who, used to be, the chair of the national obesity forum. He recognised that whilst there were genetic disorders, hormonal issues etc. that might make weight loss more difficult there isn't a human being on the planet defying the basic rules of thermodynamics.

His theory was that people cope differently with hunger. Give someone a meal and an hour later there will be some who will be thinking about having a bag of crisps, some who won't give food a thought until the next day and some who will be ready to tear down the door to macdonalds to get a quarter pounder. The person not thinking about hunger will be more likely to stay slim - the macdonalds ram-raider will need heightened willpower and make better food choices to stay slim.

PaulF81

Drinking water to replace food needs to be promoted to fatties down the dole office. Perhaps they could do a leaflet or put a handy page on the dwp website?

I personally use caffeine as an appetite suppressant. Seeing as that's a luxury, benefits claimants will have to stick to water with IDSs lunch vouchers.

adouglasmhor

PaulF81 wrote: »

The solution.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=21gFKGqP6pU

http://www.beachbody.com/product/fitness_programs/p90x.do

Remember what Pyle did to Gunny Hartman at the end of basic?

breadlinebetty

N1AK wrote: »

£1.50 - 870 Cal - 2ltrs of Coke
£0.50 - 300 Cal - Typical froster cereal with semi-skimmed milk
£0.75 - 400 Cal - Cheese Sandwich (wht bread, marge, relish)
£5.00 - 1600 Cal - BBQ Pizza collected from local store (I ate one at weekend )
£0.50 - 300 Cal - Ice Cream
£0.50 - 650 Cal - 2 Mars Bars

£8.75 - 4120 Cals

Apparently you're as ignorant about the price/health of food as they are :rotfl: 4 Mars bars costs £1.00 and is 1500 Calories. A packet of crisps costs virtually nothing but contains hundreds of calories. Soft drinks contain loads of calories.

The point is that by dropping the coke to diet, leaving the mars bars and buying a tesco cheese pizza instead (and still scoffing it all) you'd save 2500 Cals and be short on calories even though the diet looks about the same.



It's pretty amusing that you say this in the same post that you chastise someone else for ignorance. It has been shown time and again that extremely obese people are very aware that what they are doing is killing them, they hate how they look etc. Human psychology is a very strange beast.

You've completely missed the point:money:

Some obese people sit and eat ALL DAY LONG. I've seen cases on TV where a typical diet is something like:

BREAKFAST:

4 fried sausages
3 rashers of bacon
2 fried eggs
2 slices fried bread
one tin baked beans
2 slices black pudding
fried mushrooms
potato cake thingy

2 or 3 thick slices of bread and butter
2 cups milky tea 3 sugars each cup


ELEVENSES:

one large bottle coke
2 packets crisps
1 small pork pie
half a packet chocolate biscuits

LUNCH:

steak and kidney pie and large chips from chippie
apple crumble and custard
one large bottle of fizzy pop

AFTERNOON SNACKS:

2 doughnuts
1 cream slice

cheese and ham toasted sandwich
2 packets crisps
1 mars bar
1 bounty bar
1 bottle coke

DINNER:

16" deep pan pizza
garlic bread
chicken wings
dipping sauces
tub of Ben & Jerry's ice ceam
3 cans of beer

SUPPER:

2 large doner kebabs
large portion of chips
4 strong beers

or

Sweet & Sour Prawn Balls
Fied Rice
Spareribs
Sesame Toast
Chinese Curry
Large Chips
Banana Fritters
4 beers or bottle of wine



NO way does that sort of intake only cost £8 a day! The pizza alone (delivered) would cost over £10, and that's without all the extras.

And don't call me ignorant about healthy eating. I guarantee I know more about healthy eating than you do! Just looking at your menu shows what little you know about nutrition.

aliasojo

breadlinebetty wrote: »

Some obese people sit and eat ALL DAY LONG. I've seen cases on TV where a typical diet is something like:

To be fair though, cases on tv are usually not the norm?

posh*spice

N1AK wrote: »

£5.00 - 1600 Cal - BBQ Pizza collected from local store (I ate one at weekend )

on so many levels ......

aliasojo

wotsthat wrote: »

His theory was that people cope differently with hunger. Give someone a meal and an hour later there will be some who will be thinking about having a bag of crisps, some who won't give food a thought until the next day and some who will be ready to tear down the door to macdonalds to get a quarter pounder. The person not thinking about hunger will be more likely to stay slim - the macdonalds ram-raider will need heightened willpower and make better food choices to stay slim.

There was an interesting Horizon prog on a while back and it featured a female doctor who firmly believed she was thin because of the good choices she made and that fat people were *only* a result of their own bad choices or greed.

By the end of the prog and after travelling to speak to experts in the field, she was forced to accept that she was wrong and her slim figure was a result of her good fortune in her hormonal dept. It was medically proved to her that fatter people have different levels of two particular hormones which affected hunger and feelings of fullness.

Very interesting prog.

PaulF81

adouglasmhor wrote: »

Remember what Pyle did to Gunny Hartman at the end of basic?

It's the tax paying homeowner that has the shotgun certificate and the right to use it, not the burglaring dole scum.

posh*spice

breadlinebetty wrote: »

You've completely missed the point:money:

Some obese people sit and eat ALL DAY LONG. I've seen cases on TV where a typical diet is something like:

BREAKFAST:

4 fried sausages
3 rashers of bacon
2 fried eggs
2 slices fried bread
one tin baked beans
2 slices black pudding
fried mushrooms
potato cake thingy

2 or 3 thick slices of bread and butter
2 cups milky tea 3 sugars each cup


ELEVENSES:

one large bottle coke
2 packets crisps
1 small pork pie
half a packet chocolate biscuits

LUNCH:

steak and kidney pie and large chips from chippie
apple crumble and custard
one large bottle of fizzy pop

AFTERNOON SNACKS:

2 doughnuts
1 cream slice

cheese and ham toasted sandwich
2 packets crisps
1 mars bar
1 bounty bar
1 bottle coke

DINNER:

16" deep pan pizza
garlic bread
chicken wings
dipping sauces
tub of Ben & Jerry's ice ceam
3 cans of beer

SUPPER:

2 large doner kebabs
large portion of chips
4 strong beers

or

Sweet & Sour Prawn Balls
Fied Rice
Spareribs
Sesame Toast
Chinese Curry
Large Chips
Banana Fritters
4 beers or bottle of wine



NO way does that sort of intake only cost £8 a day! The pizza alone (delivered) would cost over £10, and that's without all the extras.

And don't call me ignorant about healthy eating. I guarantee I know more about healthy eating than you do! Just looking at your menu shows what little you know about nutrition.

Seriously???? Surely, nobody eats like that!!!!

breadlinebetty

CLAPTON wrote: »

For the avoidance of doubt, many vegetables contain proteins.
It is possible to live without meat and have a full and healthy life.

Some vegetables contain small traces of protein, but as the average adult need approximately 50grams of protein a day, and a normal portion of vegetables contain around just 1 gram of protein, you'd have to stuff your face with a whole load of vegetables to get your necessary protein intake!