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Muttleythefrog wrote: »

People call things what they do... don't lose sleep over it. I would hazard a guess that you are not particularly young judging from some of the things you say. I find it hard to imagine that a mother whose daughter is on the pill for whatever reason simply wouldn't say they're on the pill... if they felt the need to qualify that then I'm sure they would... and if I were the audience then they would have no requirement to.

For the record many drugs are often not used for advertised purpose... the first antidepressant I took is also prescribed for eating disorders. Whether such patients with regard to the latter go around saying they're on antidepressants or eating disorder tablets I haven't a clue. The last drug I tried which was an anti-depressant prescribed to treat my anxiety is also used to prevent premature ejaculation in men... again.. if people take it for the latter I don't know what the recipient or prescriber will call it in general terms.

I would agree. Several friends have tween daughters who are prescribed contraception for menstrual problems. Several friends in the past have also, as have younger relatives. I've NEVER heard anyone refer to "hormone therapy". People - in my circle, anyway - simply say "she's on the pill for her periods". It's such a common reason for prescribing an oral contraceptive, I don't think anyone gives it a second thought.

mazza111

And just to reiterate what Muttley said, I'm on an drug that was originally for depression/anxiety disorders as a pain killer. The popular stop smoking drug, Champix, was originally prescribed as an MH drug too.... So although I'm not depressed I'm on an A/D medication.


Joshua, that's fairy nuff, but what about those under 25s who have already moved out, worked for the last 5 + years who now find themselves unemployed or too sick to work? What about those kids who have suffered abuse and have had to move out? Remember under 25s pay the same tax as everyone else when they are working, but receive lower benefits than anyone else when they are not. Fair system? Again it's these people that will suffer more, the ones who can't move back with parents. My dd certainly can't move back with me cos I have no room for her and my house wouldn't be suitable for her disability.

FBaby

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

Did you enter the UK on a visa for one the of UK shortage jobs list? If you didn't, then it's not your taxes that are needed; but the taxes of the person who does that job, are - and there are no shortages of people in the UK who can do that job if you aren't doing a job on the shortages list..

If you want to look at it this way, you could say that there are many British people taking the jobs of people in their own countries. There are more British migrants settled in my country of origin then the other way around, therefore if we were to swap, I am not sure there would be many jobs left for those currently unemployed. England is only the 4th highest EU country receiver of migrants...

MUMZ2BEE

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

Did you enter the UK on a visa for one the of UK shortage jobs list? If you didn't, then it's not your taxes that are needed; but the taxes of the person who does that job, are - and there are no shortages of people in the UK who can do that job if you aren't doing a job on the shortages list..

For your information I was born in this country and am white British get that right!!

mazza111

I don't buy that argument about taking jobs from the Brits. I'm all for anyone who can work coming into the country and working. Not for them to sit in detention centres (is there still such a thing?) while we work out if they are entitled to be here through asylum or refugee status.


Fbaby - do you mean England or Britain in that last statement? Not trying to be funny, just interested. I believe there are more immigrants in south east England than there are in Scotland, that's why I ask, I could be totally wrong of course

FBaby

mazza111 wrote: »

Fbaby - do you mean England or Britain in that last statement? Not trying to be funny, just interested. I believe there are more immigrants in south east England than there are in Scotland, that's why I ask, I could be totally wrong of course

Ha ha, good point...the answer is neither, it is the UK so I understand include Northern Island too!

For your information I was born in this country and am white British get that right!!

Is it you being born in England or being white British that matters? I consider myself a migrant, but my grand-mother was white British and born in England, does this make me a bit less of a pest?

mazza111

I wasn't knocking it, purely curious. Scotland's too blaady cold for me at the moment too! And we've not hit winter yet. I asked because I thought I remembered seeing more immigrants when i lived on the south east coast. Dunno why, I'm really feeling the cold this year, must get my b12 checked again. Blah!!

Mumz what's your point? I'm white Scottish, that doesn't make me a better person than a black african or a purple indian? .....

FBaby

mazza111 wrote: »

I wasn't knocking it, purely curious. Scotland's too blaady cold for me at the moment too! And we've not hit winter yet. I asked because I thought I remembered seeing more immigrants when i lived on the south east coast. Dunno why, I'm really feeling the cold this year, must get my b12 checked again. Blah!!

Mumz what's your point? I'm white Scottish, that doesn't make me a better person than a black african or a purple indian? .....

mazza, didn't feel you were knocking it at all, it was a very fair comment. I live in the SE and yes, I am amazed how many migrants there are from everywhere, yet you often don't have a clue until they open their mouth and tell you where they're from. My DS started taking the bus back with a new friend who lives near by. First day conversation went:
- Hi, what your name?
- X.
- That's not English
- no my mum is from Z
- oh, do you speak Z
- no. Your name sounds foreign too
- Yes, my parents are from Y
- oh, so do you speak that language?
- neah...

krisskross

wattdallas wrote: »

KK my daughter too had hormone therapy at 8yrs old until recently for precocious puberty ,it is contraception also.

Was the intention of the drug for contraception in an 8 year old?

Did you really think that your 8 year old was being given medication for contraceptive purposes?

I apologise in advance but I am going to use my husband as an example.

He has injections/infusions weekly of cytotoxic (kill cells) drugs. Now the drugs he has are used as part of chemotherapy in the treatment of cancer.

It was just serendipity that cancer patients who also suffer the same disease as my husband noticed improvements in the symptoms of this other disease. Further tests and research were done and these cytotoxic drugs are now used for purposes other than treating cancer. So although my husband rather depends on these anti cancer drugs they would not, in his case, be describes as cancer treatment because they are not used for that purpose.

Another drug used for more than 1 problem is propanolol. This is a beta blocker and originally and is still used to control high blood pressure. I am prescribed this drug but I don't have high blood pressure. I have it to help with the panic attacks I get as the result of PTSD. This drug was sometimes used by snooker players as it stops shaky hands. I believe it is banned in that area now.

So if female hormones drugs are used it will not necessarily be for contraceptive purposes and should not be described as such.

If a nun is prescribed medication to relieve unpleasant menstrual symptoms she is hardly likely to call it contraception is she even if some of the components of the medication would have that effect as a side effect.

People need to be better educated about medication so they understand it.

mazza111

Hihi I have a very distinct foreign name too. My x was Belgian, so have a Flemish name. Being the tight Scot that I am I refuse to change it back until my passport is due renewed

It can be a pain when you're waiting for hospital appointments and such and the make several attempts to pronounce it, you end up jumping up as soon as they say Ma..... Bless them

I did notice it more in the SE. It was Brighton I lived so it was quite a diverse population anyway. Guess I noticed it more down there than up here. We do have a large population of Polish people here, but despite all that's said of them, most of them are very hard working people.