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Dunroamin

Anny wrote: »

Do you know some of you actually sound jealous of people who receive DLA...why is that?

If a disabled woman who is earning and is also entitled and claiming DLA - then why should she not have children? If a disabled woman who does not work - because she cannot, due to disability, and is claiming DLA and is able to budget and wishes to have child why should she not? (possibly a future taxpayer who pays towards your care in the future) or should we go back 40-50 years and sterilise those we do not think should be Mothers?. These women may have paid tax in the past, many disabled people have and do, but even if they have not, who has the right to say whether they should be Mothers or not?, who would deny a woman that right? I have experienced the joy of Motherhood and I would not deny that experience to any woman on the basis she is disabled and receives disability benefits...a situation beyond her control.

If someone is disabled by a mental health condition why should they not go on a challenging holiday - hell - believe it or not - even people in wheelchairs and with no legs challenge themselves to extreme sports (Paralympics) but also disabled non-elite athletes often take on very challenging pursuits...be it sports or holidays.

Why, I also wonder, do some of you equate disabled = DLA = limited financial resources? DLA is paid to people in full time employment and they could be earning 20 -30 - 40 -50k or their partner could.

To me everyone is 'normal' - in that, I do not have any preconceived notions of how people should be or any expectations of what they can do or can or cannot achieve - we are all individuals with different levels of ability...some people are able bodied and some disabled, some need support and some do not.

If you are able bodied and healthy then I see no reason why you cannot earn enough money to do all the above things, I do, so it is rather pointless being bitter because some people who receive DLA can do things you cannot...maybe they prioritise different to you...maybe they earn more than you...maybe they are just plain rich...life sucks don't it?

I'm certainly not against disabled people claiming DLA and using it to help them lead as normal life as possible. Neither am I jealous of people who claim it; my husband made a deliberate choice not to and I fully supported that choice.

However, I do think that many people who claim DLA actually then go on and undertake activities that go against the reasons they put forward in their claim. I also think that people whose lives are limited by disability should make work a priority rather than leisure pursuits if they want to live a normal life. To live a normal social life but do no work doesn't sit right with me.

As I said earlier, my father was disabled and worked full time all his life and in my last job a quarter of the professional staff had disabilities ranging from liver disease to epilepsy, all working full time and happy to do so. That's what "normal" means to me.

Working should be part of a normal life for everybody except those with the most severe disabilities; it isn't a punishment.

Ellejmorgan

Cerisa wrote: »

FBaby:

The thing I think is saddest is that employers regard people with disabilities as a bit of a risk. And if the government is really aiming to get work for people with disabilities, why did they shut down all the Remploy factories?

I'm a big fan of DLA as it helps keep disabled people in work - contributing to the economy and being productive, like we all want to be.

I agree, it's been said before, well if I can look after my baby why don't I work in a nursery,
I wonder if an employer would employ me knowing I could drop a child, would they get sued if I did, i'm at risk of dropping the baby which is why I don't carry her that much...
Or perhaps if I worked in a restauraunt would an employer be happy if I dropped someones dinner in their lap..

Dunroamin

Ellejmorgan wrote: »

I agree, it's been said before, well if I can look after my baby why don't I work in a nursery,
I wonder if an employer would employ me knowing I could drop a child, would they get sued if I did, i'm at risk of dropping the baby which is why I don't carry her that much...
Or perhaps if I worked in a restauraunt would an employer be happy if I dropped someones dinner in their lap..

Those are rather silly examples; nobody would expect you to be a bricklayer or go down the mines either.

mazza111

princessdon wrote: »

(sorry deleted some parts of your long quote). One of your previous posts struck such a chord with me I had tears in my eyes (even though I don't know you or your DD). You said she was longingly looking at children/babies and you could see her maternal instinct and the realisation that due to her health it is highly unlikely she can ever have them.

I could picture the scene in my head and it was heartbreaking.

Do you think your DD could have 4, 5 or 6 children? If she *managed just with 1* that was unplanned, would she then have 2 - 6?

What you described to me is normality for those with physical disabilities who can't gain work due to physical reasons (though I do hope her health improves enough at some point to have children if she wishes), what is not normal would be for her to have child after child. I have no issues ever with genuine claimants and do actively support some benefit increases.

But .. When people (and I'm more referring to RL here) say I can't work because of XXXx and this contradicts their day to day to life, I can not understand it. It's not about being disbled, - someone can have Mental Health issues and run a Marathon - that's normality, someone who can't walk and runs a marathon isn't normality.

Physically, the EDS/HMS wouldn't stop her having kids. Probably a few dislocations trying (lol sorry it's a standing joke we have). Bits fall off when trying to get horny!!!

I just can't see her coping with the day to day strains. The catching the kids when they fall, the chasing after them when the little blighters run away etc. The days she couldn't look after them, guess who would need to. It would be rather selfish of her to have any at this point in time, and thankfully she feels the same.

That time in the docs when she got all gooey eyed was the first time I've EVER seen her like this, never been maternal, never even played with dolls as a kid. So it came as quite a shock lol.

We have to take her to FPC soon to have the rods taken out as it seems they can make the hms worse!! So we'll be discussing alternates then. She's one of the few kids her age (almost 22) from her school that doesn't have kids. So think that hit her too. Although it's still very young.

Honestly hon, I think (hope) she has the sense not to get caught. She rarely gets out these days, never mind to meet people and start a relationship, never mind to get the leg over. I don't think she would even have one by accident tbh hon, never mind any more than that.


On that last part I totally agree with you PD. I think they are far and few between though. And because they are, the press pick up on them and wayhay, it gives a few on here a chance to have a go

Unfortunately, the claimers who keep on having sprog after sprog to keep getting benefit aren't the ones who'll be on here defending things. It's the people who are genuinely needing the benefit that will defend defend defend, and keep on defending until their last.

And Dunroamin!!! Pleaaaaaaaaaase!! Not everyone on ESA gets or has applied for DLA. I've been told I should but I don't think I'm quite that bad yet and hopefully I won't be!

Elle: I wasn't trying to pry hon. I just seen some of the personal attacks on you and it got my back up. Bringing kids up isn't easy at the best of times, I know it's a lot harder when you have a disability.

Good grief, 2 great big long posts, I need to lay down now! Think it will be calling a take away tonight lol.

Ellejmorgan

Dunroamin wrote: »

Those are rather silly examples; nobody would expect you to be a bricklayer or go down the mines either.

It's been said here before, and not silly examples I worked in catering, I'm silver service trained, I was also a wine waitress...

Ellejmorgan

Mazza, i'm happy to answer anyones questions, I have nothing to hide..
I know you wasn't trying to pry..

Takeaway yum, sounds like a good idea, enjoy !! (:waits for the comments on buying takeaways whilst being on benefits

ams13

Anny wrote: »

I understand what you are saying, but the fact remains if someone is entitled then they are entitled - at the present time that is the way the system is and I, personally, hope it remains that people are able to access the financial means they need to pay for the support they need for their disabilities.

I would much rather take a pay freeze then be on benefits, leaving aside disability benefits that are set up totally differently due to the needs for which they are given, £71.00 JSA per week is ridiculous...even with housing benefits, and I honestly cannot see how some people survive on that for any length of time - and if all being in it together means attempting to survive on £71.00 per week...I'm out!

I would rather be able bodied, healthy, with no physical or mental limitations and be able to have the opportunity to have unlimited earnings, then be disabled and on any amount of money.

I am not against DLA to genuine claimants of which there are many. My biggest gripe is the family's whether that be single parent or 2 parent. that have kids to get more benefits or to get a house and then teach those kids to do the same. £72 jobseekers is loads on top of the so called single mother getting all her benefits.

Dunroamin

Ellejmorgan wrote: »

It's been said here before, and not silly examples I worked in catering, I'm silver service trained, I was also a wine waitress...

They're silly examples when someone has the disabilities you have.

When you become disabled you need to retrain for a different career and not just assume you can't work at all just because you can no longer follow your original career. (That's the generic rather than the personal "you".)

Dunroamin

Ellejmorgan wrote: »

Mazza, i'm happy to answer anyones questions, I have nothing to hide..
I know you wasn't trying to pry..

Takeaway yum, sounds like a good idea, enjoy !! (:waits for the comments on buying takeaways whilst being on benefits

It certainly shows that people living on benefits aren't anywhere near the poverty line.:D

Ellejmorgan

ams13 wrote: »

I am not against DLA to genuine claimants of which there are many. My biggest gripe is the family's whether that be single parent or 2 parent. that have kids to get more benefits or to get a house and then teach those kids to do the same. £72 jobseekers is loads on top of the so called single mother getting all her benefits.

Where's your evidence it teaches the kids to do the same, my kids are doing quite nicely,their school reports are glowing, one wants to be a headteacher, one a social worker..