MSE News: George Osborne to make £10bn welfare cuts

clemmatis

FBaby wrote: »

Really? Last time I checked, I saw many 'normal' people who couldn't afford this at all, so I guess it all comes down to what people perceive as normal?

Yes. There are many "normal" people who can, and many who can't.

Dunroamin

Cerisa wrote: »

FBaby:

The thing I think is saddest is that employers regard people with disabilities as a bit of a risk. And if the government is really aiming to get work for people with disabilities, why did they shut down all the Remploy factories?

I'm a big fan of DLA as it helps keep disabled people in work - contributing to the economy and being productive, like we all want to be.

My father was disabled and employed under the old "Registered Disabled" where public sector employers had to employ a percentage of workers with a disability. I'm a great believer in the reintroduction of a similar scheme.

Anny_2

FBaby wrote: »

Really? Last time I checked, I saw many 'normal' people who couldn't afford this at all, so I guess it all comes down to what people perceive as normal?

Do you know some of you actually sound jealous of people who receive DLA...why is that?

If a disabled woman who is earning and is also entitled and claiming DLA - then why should she not have children? If a disabled woman who does not work - because she cannot, due to disability, and is claiming DLA and is able to budget and wishes to have child why should she not? (possibly a future taxpayer who pays towards your care in the future) or should we go back 40-50 years and sterilise those we do not think should be Mothers?. These women may have paid tax in the past, many disabled people have and do, but even if they have not, who has the right to say whether they should be Mothers or not?, who would deny a woman that right? I have experienced the joy of Motherhood and I would not deny that experience to any woman on the basis she is disabled and receives disability benefits...a situation beyond her control.

If someone is disabled by a mental health condition why should they not go on a challenging holiday - hell - believe it or not - even people in wheelchairs and with no legs challenge themselves to extreme sports (Paralympics) but also disabled non-elite athletes often take on very challenging pursuits...be it sports or holidays.

Why, I also wonder, do some of you equate disabled = DLA = limited financial resources? DLA is paid to people in full time employment and they could be earning 20 -30 - 40 -50k or their partner could.

To me everyone is 'normal' - in that, I do not have any preconceived notions of how people should be or any expectations of what they can do or can or cannot achieve - we are all individuals with different levels of ability...some people are able bodied and some disabled, some need support and some do not.

If you are able bodied and healthy then I see no reason why you cannot earn enough money to do all the above things, I do, so it is rather pointless being bitter because some people who receive DLA can do things you cannot...maybe they prioritise different to you...maybe they earn more than you...maybe they are just plain rich...life sucks don't it?

princessdon

Dunroamin wrote: »

If Elle isn't receiving any maintenance for her children from her husband then, personally, I don't think that she is receiving all that she's entitled to and that's a disgrace.

What Elle doesn't seem to be entitled to at present is DLA.

It's a short term thing, they used to claim and will be soon.

Ellejmorgan

FBaby wrote: »

Why is it such a bad thing to ask questions? Firstly everyone does have a right to ask. Whether they are responded to a not is a choice. Besides this though, surely if there the reason for those questions is a overt sense of cynism, then surely answering these answers will help disperse the stereotypes? Stating such things as 'they have no right' only reinforce that those feeling attacked have things to hide, hence totally counter productive.

When I read such things are saying someone couldn't do a job on the phone because they can't physically keep the handset up, when it is sooooo obvious that such jobs would come with a handset as pointed out, it certainly doesn't help the that cynism. I also felt it when you mention that you couldn't do an office job because you couldn't possibly reach targets that would be set. Well I have done many jobs so far, and not once worked in an environment where office administrator had to type at a certain speed. Secretaries maybe, but not office admins, so again, it does makes me wonder whether it is a case of coming up with excuses.

I think many of the cynicals here would sincerely love to be proven wrong. I certainly would. I don't feel hated towards anyone in particular and getting to know some people who claim benefits, I have seen that it is not all black and white, but I have also met people who although stating in one breath that they would give anything to go back to work if they could, in another breath, when appropriate in the conversation, don't hesitate to admit that they are glad they don't have to do the crappy jobs that some friends do.

If you read it properly you would have seen that there is much more to my condition than just not holding a handset..
As per my posts were cherry picked and blown out of proportion..
I would have to sit or stand long enough to take the call in the first place..

mazza111

FBaby wrote: »

Why is it such a bad thing to ask questions? Firstly everyone does have a right to ask. Whether they are responded to a not is a choice. Besides this though, surely if there the reason for those questions is a overt sense of cynism, then surely answering these answers will help disperse the stereotypes? Stating such things as 'they have no right' only reinforce that those feeling attacked have things to hide, hence totally counter productive.

When I read such things are saying someone couldn't do a job on the phone because they can't physically keep the handset up, when it is sooooo obvious that such jobs would come with a handset as pointed out, it certainly doesn't help the that cynism. I also felt it when you mention that you couldn't do an office job because you couldn't possibly reach targets that would be set. Well I have done many jobs so far, and not once worked in an environment where office administrator had to type at a certain speed. Secretaries maybe, but not office admins, so again, it does makes me wonder whether it is a case of coming up with excuses.

I think many of the cynicals here would sincerely love to be proven wrong. I certainly would. I don't feel hated towards anyone in particular and getting to know some people who claim benefits, I have seen that it is not all black and white, but I have also met people who although stating in one breath that they would give anything to go back to work if they could, in another breath, when appropriate in the conversation, don't hesitate to admit that they are glad they don't have to do the crappy jobs that some friends do.

The righteous asking Elle why she had kids if she couldn't look after them is downright rude. They don't know if she had them before her illness. Wouldn't it be amazing to know what's round the corner. As I said before, yes there are many people who choose to be single parents and live on benefits, there are many of us who are single parents through no choice of our own. So why are we being tarred with the same brush as someone who's never done a day work in their life?


Me? I'll answer any question regarding my illness. And my dd's illness. Cos at the end of the day, what you're dealing with is a few keyboard warriors. Pots and kettles. There are a few on here who think it's ok for them to claim benefits, but if anyone else does, they must be faking, it can't be that bad, my husband worked through having a....<insert medical condition>, I worked until I was ?? age, I don't see why you can't. People need to realise, as people we are all different, just like the conditions can affect us differently, so can the drugs.


The admin jobs I looked into were all target driven, when I was retired 18 months ago. That was before I had my 2nd accident. I can type this now because i'm in bed. Propped up on one side with a load of pillows and hot water bottles. I would love to go back to work. I can only stay in one position for a matter of minutes before the tingling starts and I have to move. Hopefully if I get the right medication blend, one day I will get back to work. At the moment, I'm only awake for a couple of hours before the fatigue sets in, pretty sure it's to do with the medication.

If you don't feel the hatred by the chosen few, I guess that's because you've not managed to upset them yet.:rotfl: They were fine with me until my dd got awarded DLA then the snide comments started, so I have to wonder if it's a jealousy thing. Strange because I'd rather she had my dd's illness than my dd and she would be more than welcome to her DLA which is well and truly deserved.

In all honesty, I've got to the stage now, I don't care what anyone thinks regarding my illness. I have been told by docs I'm too sick for work, especially since my 2nd accident. After ATOS said I was too sick for work. Now I'm off to have caviare on toast for my tea, washed down with a bottle of cheap cider, that some of the tax payers on here think they're paying for. Remember I was a tax payer too, for many many years.

princessdon

mazza111 wrote: »

before she was struck down with a condition that has left her severely disabled. How the hell would you like her to hold down a job now? She would love to get back to work. I personally think it won't be possible for her, but keep encouraging her so that she's got the right attitude to keep fighting and keep up with her physio.

Please don't count genuinely sick people with scroungers. I'm pretty sure most of us would love to get back to work, I know me and my dd would definitely love it.

Good luck with your appeal Elle.

(sorry deleted some parts of your long quote). One of your previous posts struck such a chord with me I had tears in my eyes (even though I don't know you or your DD). You said she was longingly looking at children/babies and you could see her maternal instinct and the realisation that due to her health it is highly unlikely she can ever have them.

I could picture the scene in my head and it was heartbreaking.

Do you think your DD could have 4, 5 or 6 children? If she *managed just with 1* that was unplanned, would she then have 2 - 6?

What you described to me is normality for those with physical disabilities who can't gain work due to physical reasons (though I do hope her health improves enough at some point to have children if she wishes), what is not normal would be for her to have child after child. I have no issues ever with genuine claimants and do actively support some benefit increases.

But .. When people (and I'm more referring to RL here) say I can't work because of XXXx and this contradicts their day to day to life, I can not understand it. It's not about being disbled, - someone can have Mental Health issues and run a Marathon - that's normality, someone who can't walk and runs a marathon isn't normality.

Anny_2

ams13 wrote: »

I dont know about anyone else but I cant afford what you call normal. I have 3 jobs and not had a holiday for years. I agree with some of what you say but. I have been on a pay freeze for years while people on benefits have had rises. If we were all in it together it wouldnt be so bad. All I see on here is i'm entitled and why dont the rich pay.

I understand what you are saying, but the fact remains if someone is entitled then they are entitled - at the present time that is the way the system is and I, personally, hope it remains that people are able to access the financial means they need to pay for the support they need for their disabilities.

I would much rather take a pay freeze then be on benefits, leaving aside disability benefits that are set up totally differently due to the needs for which they are given, £71.00 JSA per week is ridiculous...even with housing benefits, and I honestly cannot see how some people survive on that for any length of time - and if all being in it together means attempting to survive on £71.00 per week...I'm out!

I would rather be able bodied, healthy, with no physical or mental limitations and be able to have the opportunity to have unlimited earnings, then be disabled and on any amount of money.

Ellejmorgan

Mazza..

I've had one child since my disability, have had spinal issues for 4 years, my baby is now 10 months old..

I didn't plan a child, it was the worst time to fall pregnant due to the type of medication I'm on..
I spent my entire pregnancy in bed or hospital, and she was delivered at 37 weeks..

I did consider terminating the pregnancy, but I've lost a child and couldn't do it..
I was supposed to have the op on my neck which was deemed ann emergancy, I discussed the pregnancy with my surgeon at 7 weeks and I was booked in at 16 weeks..
Due to hospital error on the day I was sent home and rebooked for 20 weeks pregnant which for me was too late to proceed, I wasn't prepared to miscarry that late on..

I was given steroid that week which enabled me to cope just about, had another in Jan, which gave me a 25% improvement..
Am now discussing options with hospital..

princessdon

If a disabled woman who does not work - because she cannot, due to disability, and is claiming DLA and is able to budget and wishes to have child why should she not?

My personal opinion is that it very much depends on why they claim the disability. Someone can be incapable of work but very much able to be a parent - with or without support. If their disability contradicted the "reason for none work" and they had 3 or 4 children following their disability, I'd question the validity of their disability.