Been called for medical - not happy

Dunroamin

Invalidation wrote: »

What a warped idea ! Thats like saying everyone in prison is guilty simply because a jury says so.

That's a completely different situation.

If a claim is rejected then the law is saying that the claimant isn't entitled to the benefit, even if s/he thinks s/he is. If there's a successful appeal then the claimant becomes entitled.

That's what the word means.

System

Invalidation wrote: »

But it didnt take that long to find out the bigots and trolls did we ?

Are you saying that everybody who questions the validity of awarding benefits is a bigot or a troll?

skintmacflint

topaziem wrote: »

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Personally I am only interested in seeing what a shambles there can be of my upcoming assessment. Then I intend at a tribunal to show that the assessment is a fictional report. then present that to my MP who I hope will find out why it was prepared in that way in the first palce - there can only be one answer - incompetence by ATOS.

I already have had three instances of this happening with them in previous assessments, DAL, IIDB & ESA. In all three, their reports were shown to have no substance, were medically incorrect, and were at odds to what my eminent professor consultants had to say on the matter.

So with 3 previous classic instances behind you in your own experience, what makes you think your next failed assessment which you then overturn successfully will be so spectacular or special (compared to the thousands of other bad decisions overturned at Tribunal) to change the process.

Or do you believe in 4th time lucky?

tommix

mazza111 wrote: »

The forms for ESA and DLA can both be confusing and terribly long along with very repetitive. You must look at the descriptors that fit your illness. Anything else is either ignored or is waffle. Everyone should look at these when applying for ESA, it's not like IB that was easier to get. Why shouldn't anyone point that out on the forums?? I can't believe anyone was on IB for 22 years without a medical. I was on it for a few months and was called for a medical.

When I done my dd's form for DLA, I felt i was writing the same thing over and over again. And it had to be done over a period of a few days due to neither of us having good hands to write with :rotfl:

I for one appreciate every little bit of advice that Muttley is able to give with regards to benefits, as it's a minefield, especially for those of us who've rarely had to claim before. Things have changed so drastically since I last claimed, I'm just so glad there are people like Muttley and RogerBlack, who are willing to give up their time and energy to help those of us who don't understand the procedures.

Agreed. Nice post.:beer:

MUMZ2BEE

As my medical approaches, I feel more and more frightened, but thanks to the help and advice given to me on here I know what to expect.

I have read through the descriptors and feel that my problems relate to several of them in the support group, but I am not hoping as I know ATOS lie through their teeth to kick people off ESA.

I will have a relative with me who can make notes of the questions given and answers I give back, BUT I will take my mobile phone and record it as you cannot trust ATOS at all!!

I have been in contact with the mental health charity MIND due to having a large amount of mental health issues, and they have said that they will help lodge an appeal if need be.

I am expecting to score 0 points anyway; I have enuff stress going on in my life at the moment without a poxy medical to worry about!!

Fingers crossed!!

Invalidation

topaziem wrote: »

I'm sorry but to be honest with how my back affects me painwise (helped by medication) and how I manage to walk - hardly able - I find it extremely worrying that you can manage to claim welfare for your similar problem for all these years.

But you dont know or havent a clue as to how my condition affects me.
2 people with a similar condition can be worlds apart with respect to how it affects them .

I would suggest you apply for a job with ATOS, you seem able to jump to conclusions with no evidence whatsoever

Invalidation

topaziem wrote: »

On the other hand it could simply be that one person sees it as a disability and demands a Welfare award,

I "demanded" nothing, I was TOLD by both the Orthopaedic Consultant and my Doctor I should not work as I could be a liabililty to myself and a danger to others. I was then also told by the DLA appointed Doctor that I should not work. Despte what they said I had sufficient pride to at least try. I got a job, it lasted 2 days before I was unable to walk. 6 months later I got another job and ended up falling and seriously damaging my right hand.

whilst the other just sees it as life and doesn't think of themselves as being 'disabled'? Both probably have the same difficulties and both suffer the same level of discomfort/pain - its what you do with it and what you do about it that matters.

Again you dont know my pain level and how it affects me

Pain, oh yes, walking err yes if I can. Neither of which classify someone as 'disabled'.

It most certainly does if the spinal condition could suddenly make you fall, or fall onto someone causing them harm

If you want to see what disabled actually means - take a trip to any hospital to find out first hand!

Dont lecture me son and are you saying because I'm not in Hospital I cant be disabled
Good god man you should be writing for the Daily Mail or working for ATOS.
What an ignorant bigot.

mrcow

Invalidation wrote: »

But maybe 22 years of pain, inablilty to hold their own child (as happened to me) of seeing other people enjoying summer holidays, of being called a scrounger, yes stillable to hold our heads up?

Walk a mile in my shoes sunshine, (though I cant walk 10 yards) youll soon change you bigotted biased mind

All of which is irrelevent. You still should have had regular medical assessments throughout that time.

plum2002

mrcow wrote: »

All of which is irrelevent. You still should have had regular medical assessments throughout that time.

I'd say that depends. If someone has a severe disabliity that is documented as very unlikely to improvement and indeed likely to worsen, it would probably be a bigger waste of money regularly assessing them than just paying the benefits? maybe? Of course regular assessment also creates public sector jobs (more taxpayers money )

Invalidation

mrcow wrote: »

All of which is irrelevent. You still should have had regular medical assessments throughout that time.

Dont point out the obvious to me.
Talk to the GP's and consultants who just say "Thats it theres nothing more we can do"