A hospital Chief Exec. who believes the disabled a cheats.

mikey72

mazza111 wrote: »

I think I did read what you wrote and quoted appropriately if that was aimed at me

It's not illegal to use your bb on private land.

They are not illegally putting up the signs to say disabled parking only.

They just can't enforce it because it's on private land.

They can't use the bb as a condition of parking on private land, or to discrimination as a level of disability, as I said in post #64.

"There are some free spaces for disabled parking, but it's open access, and dependant on other motorists not abusing them.
Now, it's private parking, and also states they're for blue badge owners only, which as you'll know from this site that's a total no-no, if I name the hospital there would be a lynch mob descending on them quoting the equality act, and how blue badges are meaningless on private car parks. But it seems to work."



I can legally park in a disabled bay, without a bb, and if they suggest I can't I can quote the equaliy act at them, and show they are acting illegally by discriminating against me.

mikey72

ManxRed wrote: »

What I think you are TRYING to say, but failing miserably, is that if a parking company or landowner tried to enforce an 'offence' of not displaying a blue badge in a disabled bay on private land, then this would be a potential breach of the Equality Act 2010.

Yes? THAT is correct.

You then go on to say that you don't care if it breaches the Equality Act or not anyway.

You're obviously failing to read the posts properly.
Let's leave it in the other thread, and see if someone else can explain it.

taffy056

mikey72 wrote: »

I like the sign, it works, it keeps non-blue badge holders out of the disabled spaces, and beyond that I don't care if it breaks the equality act.

The problem is, that as a business they must not break the equality act otherwise they could have fines and sanctions that are almost unlimited. You don't care which is fair enough, but businesses must care

JagDriver

At the risk of returning this tread to it's original purpose (to wit: Hospital parking):

the problem with on street parking which is used around such places like hospitals is the disruption it causes to residents

I fail to see how someone parking in a residential street could be classed as 'Disruptive'.

I'm fully aware that some residents think that the road in front of their house is somehow their private property, but that is not the case. Most councils have properly marked parking bays and patrol those areas where they may enjoy some revenue generation (although as a victim of the practice of patrolling near hospitals I'll say that I abhor it), for the able bodied attending or supporting those attending the hospital it is by far the most convenient and cheapest way to do it. The hospital car parks should be run as cheap council car parks where you can only get a 'ticket' if you have a legitimate reason for visiting the Hospital.

I notice Hotels now use a simple system of a coded exit barrier, which requires asking reception for the code before exit.

taffy056

I tell you what I mean by disruptive outside the dvla, at 7am-8am literally hundreds of cars converge onto basically one place, most are able to park within the dvla, but hell of a lot cannot. So they park on the surrounding streets, they block driveways, they park both sides of the street that make it awkward for people to pass , let alone emergency vehicles. They park on pavements and verges meaning that pedestrians with prams can't pass.

So that is one area of the dvla, behind there is an estate that has Swansea crematorium that is very busy also, there dvla workers park cars that make it almost impossible for hearses to get where they need to , they also block driveways and park opposite them where it's very difficult to get out or in.

So in hospitals that has housing estates around them with hundreds if not thousands of vehicles coming and going , then people parking maybe not considerately I can only state that it's disruptive.

azzabazza

Not all hospital car parks are free in Scotland. The new Edinburgh Royal Infirmary (PPI money) charges a hefty whack for parking.

The local residents experienced considerable disruption with hospital staff clogging up the local streets parking their cars.

mazza111

mikey72 wrote: »

They can't use the bb as a condition of parking on private land, or to discrimination as a level of disability, as I said in post #64.

"There are some free spaces for disabled parking, but it's open access, and dependant on other motorists not abusing them.
Now, it's private parking, and also states they're for blue badge owners only, which as you'll know from this site that's a total no-no, if I name the hospital there would be a lynch mob descending on them quoting the equality act, and how blue badges are meaningless on private car parks. But it seems to work."



I can legally park in a disabled bay, without a bb, and if they suggest I can't I can quote the equaliy act at them, and show they are acting illegally by discriminating against me.

Anyone can park in said spaces. Yes, they may and some do, enforce this by sending invoices. Of course these aren't fines. But again, it's not illegal for them to put whatever signs they want up on their own land. Just like it's not illegal for them to send the invoices. However, they cannot enforce these rules in a private car park.

It's the old debate about whether you should or shouldn't park in them when you're able bodied all over again isn't it. I think the majority of people wouldn't but you always get one or two who think they can so they will.


But maybe we should get back on topic about whether it's right or wrong to be charging for car parks in hospitals and whether disabled people can use and have access to public transport as this stupid man says they can.

taffy056

mazza111 wrote: »

But maybe we should get back on topic about whether it's right or wrong to be charging for car parks in hospitals and whether disabled people can use and have access to public transport as this stupid man says they can.

Two things that really annoy me about private parking companies, one is charges in hospitals and the fake penalties imposed by them, the charge by the hospital is immoral, the attempted extortion by parking companies is frankly abhorrent. Both a re a tax on the sick.

The other is parking companies in motorway service stations, the 2 hour limit is dangerous as its trying to force people to drive when they are tired, which can lead to accidents and loss of life. There should be no limit to the amount of time needed at these places, they are largely empty over night, and probably only about a quarter full during the day.

The government should step in outlaw these companies in hospitals and motorway service stations.

giraffe69

The other is parking companies in motorway service stations, the 2 hour limit is dangerous as its trying to force people to drive when they are tired, which can lead to accidents and loss of life. There should be no limit to the amount of time needed at these places, they are largely empty over night, and probably only about a quarter full during the day.

So two hours is not enough to recover from tiredness?
And those who meet their friends and go away for a weekend in one car leaving a couple of others parked should be permitted to park without limit not to mention those who want to camp overnight.
Get real!
It's attitudes like this that lead to the vile parking companies looking for minute infractions getting business.
How about parking for 4 hours free, over that a modest charge?

taffy056

No 2 hours is sometimes not enough !!!! If you stop off at a service station at 2am and fall asleep and wake up say at 6am you obviously needed that rest, now some pathetic company like cp plus would try and issue a fake penalty on this person claiming breach of poxy contract. Life is more important than some lousy terms.

So Giraffe it's you who should get real! These scamming scumbags who are the bane of motorists lives should be banned completely from these places, and all stupid restrictions in these places should be lifted, I don't know if you have seen the take a break signs, they take precedence