A hospital Chief Exec. who believes the disabled a cheats.

taffy056

mikey72 wrote: »

You appear not to grasp the problem at all.

The car park is full.
It's at capacity.
They can't fit the number of cars that arrive daily into spaces.

You appear to have a solution to the parking problem, you need to tell us how to either increase the spaces, or reduce the number of cars.
It's a simple problem, so let's hear your answer.

Otherwise, we'll simply have to agree the one presented is the only one, unless you can do better.

Car parking is not a simple solution as you put it across above, you are simply ignoring the fact that unlike a supermarket or retail park, where people have a choice. In a hospital there is no choice, as the poster above said he must take his child to appointments, public transport is not suitable.

So you multiply that tenfold or hundredfold and you can see the problem. As people have no choice, they must use their vehicles to get to the hospital, if they didn't use their vehicles and public transport is not suitable, how else can they afford to get there? Taxies are expensive, I should know I used to own several.

So ambulances would be needed, tell me how much would it cost the NHS to run hundreds of ambulances to ferry people in for vital appointments? I would think considerably more than building a car park, which by the way is an obligation by NHS trusts, and offering free parking spaces which should be an obligation by NHS trusts.

Finally, why is it that NHS trusts in Wales and Scotland can offer free parking without the chaos you are prophesying? Why is that they can run car parks within the budgets set out by the local governments? Is it because that they think it should be an obligation not to tax the sick? I am not a frequent hospital visitor but my mother is, and we are eternally grateful that the local NHS trust helps visitors to the hospital by not charging, and there is no chaos here.

mikey72

taffy056 wrote: »

............building a car park..........

Fair enough.
Easy solution, which they must have missed.

You must know the site then.

Where abouts do you suggest they build it?
(If you need a hint, read post #31)

(How many car parks are NHS trusts obliged to build by the way?
Several each?)

BobQ

halibut2209 wrote: »

So he wants to treat people equally and you're saying this is against the equality act? I don't get it. You park, you pay regardless of who you are. How much more equal can you get?

I do not know if it breaches the Equality Act, but if you cannot use public transport or cycle you are clearly being treated less fairly than someone who can.

mikey72

taffy056 wrote: »

.................Finally, why is it that NHS trusts in Wales and Scotland can offer free parking without the chaos you are prophesying? .............

Crisis point at Aberdeen

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-18782160

Problems in Wales

http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/4692066.Four_hour_limit_on_hospital_parking/

"Since hospital car parking charges were abolished in Wales 18 months ago, some sites have had problems with people parking for non-hospital business, such as shopping or work nearby."

"“Those that exceed four hours will be issued with a Parking Charge Notice (PCN), and there will be a period to appeal against this penalty,”

Charging re-introduced

http://www.cardiffandvaleuhb.wales.nhs.uk/Visitor-Parking-University-Hospital-Wales

mazza111

mikey72 wrote: »

Is the issue the cost, or the fact there are no spaces at present?

The issue is a bit of both in all honesty. Thankfully we have free parking up here. But don't try to find a disabled space on a Wednesday (or any other space for that matter)They seem to hold so many different clinics on a Wednesday for some reason. We have got a taxi over one Wednesday when my car was in for it's MOT. Added £8 to her hospital visit. Now keeping in mind that she can be there several times a month.... It's not really an option. But what's your point in questioning why she should get a taxi? What difference does that make? I mean, it's not like public transport where it's kinder to the environment is it? She could ofc get the hospital to transport her, but I don't think that's an option we would look at due the sheer expense of it, not to us, but to the NHS.


There are ways they could police the car parks better, having barriers etc. This would stop people using the car parks who weren't attending hospitals. I'm sure there are some hospitals who do it. The security guards in our local even point out spaces to patients.


But I think what I'm getting at is, that this stupid man needs to realise that not all disabled people can use public transport.

taffy056

So you are using an article from 3 years ago to back your facts up, every hospital is different, like every shopping centre. The fact remains that 1 hospital in the whole of wales charges, I know for a fact that is being challenged. The Scotland link you have provided shows one thing, there is no control there, unlike Singleton Hospital that has Swansea University next door, there has been control put in place, where people get tokens from the hospital itself.

You still haven't answered the questions I have asked, you want me to answer yours, but you blatantly don't answer anything put to you, now tell me what other solution is there ? Come on mikey fix it, you play devils advocate all the time, answer the question!

mikey72

mazza111 wrote: »

But what's your point in questioning why she should get a taxi? What difference does that make? .......................There are ways they could police the car parks better, having barriers etc. This would stop people using the car parks who weren't attending hospitals.

I didn't question the taxi.
But the obvious answer at the hospital in question here is it won't use a parking space.
A barrier won't keep out anyone, it'll have no way of knowing why anyone is parking. And if asked, anyone parking there who shouldn't be will simply lie.

mikey72

taffy056 wrote: »

You still haven't answered the questions I have asked, you want me to answer yours, but you blatantly don't answer anything put to you, now tell me what other solution is there ? Come on mikey fix it, you play devils advocate all the time, answer the question!

I've answered it.
You don't seem to be reading anything other than what you want to see, and ducking any question, as you clearly have no answer at all.

But as you appear not to be able to see it, I'll repeat it.

"Otherwise, we'll simply have to agree the one presented is the only one, unless you can do better. "


I'm not waiting for the better solution you clearly haven't got, because I honestly think you have no idea about the hospital in question, and no idea at all how to offer any solution, so as they say, I'm out, it's pointless as you'll never answer.

taffy056

How the hell can I give a solution to parking in a hospital that mazza hasn't even named? I don't about you mikey fix it but my telepathic powers are not up to giving answers to a problem at hospital that could be anywhere in England. So as your physic powers are in full flow, please enlighten us with your solution.

mikey72

taffy056 wrote: »

How the hell can I give a solution to parking in a hospital that mazza hasn't even named? I don't about you mikey fix it but my telepathic powers are not up to giving answers to a problem at hospital that could be anywhere in England. So as your physic powers are in full flow, please enlighten us with your solution.

Best swerve I've seen for a while.
And even though I was out, it's so impressive it was worth mentioning
Read post#1, as the thread seems to be about it.

denchys wrote: »

............Parking charges at Wolverhampton’s New Cross Hospital are being doubled for short-stay visitors as part of plans to bring in an extra £1.5 million a year, while free parking for disabled people is being axed........Read more: http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2012/09/03/new-cross-hospital-parking-charges-double/#ixzz25V23ARhQ

(You had an opinion is post#5, in case you forgot)