Due a police visit - help

Jamie_Carter

DVardysShadow wrote: »

Sorry, I think you are something of a naive fool. People do indeed sometimes get on the wrong side of the police without ever having been on the wrong side of the law.

Your misconceptions probably arise from thinking that the police are more or less the same as the law. Which is mistaken.

To get on the wrong side of the police you would have had to do one of the following:

• Break the law
• Be accused of breaking the law by someone else, but actually be innocent.
• Look like someone who has broken the law.
• Done something that could lead the police to thinking that you have broken the law.
• Behaved agressively towards the police.

NewKittenHelp

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

To get on the wrong side of the police you would have had to do one of the following:

• Break the law
• Be accused of breaking the law by someone else, but actually be innocent.
• Look like someone who has broken the law.
• Done something that could lead the police to thinking that you have broken the law.
• Behaved agressively towards the police.

Or be a witness to an alleged crime and step in to prevent a police officer from abusing his power. That's what happened in my case. I stopped two officers from intimidating a minor by aggressively questioning him without benefit of an adult there. They only backed off and started acting professionally when I got my work ID out and threatened them with a formal complaint.

And if you're wondering, the minor in question was completely innocent and the person who made up the allegations later admitted it.

adouglasmhor

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

To get on the wrong side of the police you would have had to do one of the following:

• Break the law
• Be accused of breaking the law by someone else,Or by the Police but actually be innocent.
• Look like someone who has broken the law.
• Done something that could lead the police to thinking that you have broken the law.
• Behaved agressively towards the police.

No you would not, ask Giuseppe Conlin, Oh sorry you can't he died in prison after a fit up.
Or many others.

No one is falling for your naive spoutings, the police are not your friends they have a job to do and that's hitting targets.

What did this guy do http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2157591/Stephen-Whenary-dragged-shower-19-police-beaten-thrown-outdoors.html

missprice

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

I think your problem is caused by your attitude towards them. I'm not saying that none of them are insolent or lazy, or possibly even stupid (although they shouldn't get through training if they are). But that's the same in any walk of life, and is no reason to tarr them all with the same brush. As I said earlier, that is the sort of attitude that breads racism, and other discrimination.

When your neighbour knocked down your wall, they were correct, as it was a civil matter, that you need to resolve between you and your neighbour (through the civil courts if required). So what did the police do wrong by telling you that?

the car had mounted the pavement to knock the wall down. and what exactly is wrong with the police saying its a civil matter?
they just said here is a crime number claim on your insurance

If it is reported to them that you have a bonfire in your garden, then it is only natural for them to assume that you have. Maybe just a polite response, saying that it is actually in your next door neighbour's garden, would have been all it would take to send them next door.
after the seventh visit in 2 or 3 weeks (at that time) you would think they would have realised IT WAS NOT ME BURNING STUFF , and after the first 6 times I told them very nicely I was beginning to be hacked off that they could not SEE THE FENCE that the fire was on the other side of

I really don't envy the police when they have to deal with people with your attitude.

I also was visited 3 times for them to pick up an offender that was supposedly living in my house. the final time they came with a van (I assume to put said offender in) and they finally realised they had come to the wrong street. they visited me at ABC street and the actually needed ADF street.
not the end of the world I know but the first 2 visits they had not believed that I had never heard of or seen this offender.
can they not read?

Jamie_Carter

NewKittenHelp wrote: »

Or be a witness to an alleged crime and step in to prevent a police officer from abusing his power. That's what happened in my case. I stopped two officers from intimidating a minor by aggressively questioning him without benefit of an adult there. They only backed off and started acting professionally when I got my work ID out and threatened them with a formal complaint.

And if you're wondering, the minor in question was completely innocent and the person who made up the allegations later admitted it.

So they were investigating an alleged crime. And you decided to interfere. Well what if that person had commisted a serious crime, and you had prevented them from investigating it?

Jamie_Carter

adouglasmhor wrote: »

No you would not, ask Giuseppe Conlin, Oh sorry you can't he died in prison after a fit up.
Or many others.

No one is falling for your naive spoutings, the police are not your friends they have a job to do and that's hitting targets.

What did this guy do http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2157591/Stephen-Whenary-dragged-shower-19-police-beaten-thrown-outdoors.html

Read the exact words of my post more carefully. Rather than coming out with individual cases, and thinking that they are the rule rather than the exception.

Jamie_Carter

missprice wrote: »

I also was visited 3 times for them to pick up an offender that was supposedly living in my house. the final time they came with a van (I assume to put said offender in) and they finally realised they had come to the wrong street. they visited me at ABC street and the actually needed ADF street.
not the end of the world I know but the first 2 visits they had not believed that I had never heard of or seen this offender.
can they not read?

Yet again you have an agressive attitude towards them.

How do you know that they weren't acting on information given, and that they were given the wrong address?

Don't you think they get people trying to sa that "Mr Whoever doesn't liver here", just to cover up for them? They have to act on the information supplied to them. And this isn't always correct.

Let me ask you a question. Who would you call if you were burgled, your car was stolen, or you were mugged??

adouglasmhor

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

Read the exact words of my post more carefully. Rather than coming out with individual cases, and thinking that they are the rule rather than the exception.

I did. I stand by what I posted as you posted absolutes. This post of yours is better, see we can all improve.

missprice

Jamie_Carter wrote: »

Yet again you have an agressive attitude towards them.

How do you know that they weren't acting on information given, and that they were given the wrong address?

Don't you think they get people trying to sa that "Mr Whoever doesn't liver here", just to cover up for them? They have to act on the information supplied to them. And this isn't always correct.
the info they had originally was correct they just did not bother to read it

Let me ask you a question. Who would you call if you were burgled, your car was stolen, or you were mugged??

If I was mugged these days I would call my partner to come and get me as what exactly can or will the police do? they usually say there is nothing they can do and it probably wont happen again (this being what they said when my daughter was mugged)
Car these days you just call them and get a crime number for insurance purposes
same for burgled, crime number for insurance.
well tbh a crime number generator does not need a police force.
so why not have a smaller cheaper to run department for generating crime numbers?

Jamie_Carter

DVardysShadow wrote: »

I don't think police haters are the problem so much as the police lovers and apologists such as yourself. If you think of the Tomlinson case, it was probably just one or 2 police lovers on the jury who got Harwood off something any ordinary person would have gone down for

I think you have just summed up your own ignorance.

To start with, I'm no police lover. I'm a realist who looks at things from a balanced point of view. Rather than just a one sided one.

I'm not going into individual cases. But there are 12 members of the jury to give a balanced view. To find someone guilty, it has to be beyond reasonable doubt. If there is any doubt, then that person can't be found guilty.