5:2 diet

Mado

lolly101 wrote: »

but, we don't 'need' them (human evolution has proven that!), so cutting them out isn't a bad thing either.

I'm sorry but I completely disagree with that statement ... Would you care to provide any evidence for it?
We need them or we simply wouldn't be able to feed the planet; without grains and starchy roots most of the planet would starve.
It's simply a matter of balance; as long as youdon't consume more than what you need, carbs are absolutely fine, unless you are diabetic.
I am against the fashionable fad of low carbs that appears to pervade everywhere.

lolly101

Mado wrote: »

I'm sorry but I completely disagree with that statement ... Would you care to provide any evidence for it?
We need them or we simply wouldn't be able to feed the planet; without grains and starchy roots most of the planet would starve.
It's simply a matter of balance; as long as youdon't consume more than what you need, carbs are absolutely fine, unless you are diabetic.
I am against the fashionable fad of low carbs that appears to pervade everywhere.

I think the fact that humans still exist provides more than enough evidence! We didn't start eating grains and such until relatively recently, so biologically, and on an individual, and dietary, level - we do not need carbs. Yes, you are probably right in saying that most of the planet would starve without them, but I think we both know that that is not what I was suggesting, and that it is not particularly relevant to this conversation.

As for it being a fad, I don't think it's going anywhere any time soon. It's based on sound principles, and people are finally starting to realise this after being bombarded with the government's outdated version of what 'healthy eating' should be. I think that one reason that many people are against low carb eating is that they have associated it with the idea that low carb dieters spend their day scoffing bacon and eggs, all dripping with fat. For most people, it is not like that. Omitting a food group means that you will make up for it with other things, from what I've seen (and experienced) most people end up eating more veg than they did before, so instead of pairing a steak with chips, it would go with grilled tomatoes and mushrooms. There is only so much protein and fat you can eat in a day!

stevenazhuo

health food is very good for everyone.

stevenazhuo

Mado wrote: »

I'm sorry but I completely disagree with that statement ... Would you care to provide any evidence for it?
We need them or we simply wouldn't be able to feed the planet; without grains and starchy roots most of the planet would starve.
It's simply a matter of balance; as long as youdon't consume more than what you need, carbs are absolutely fine, unless you are diabetic.
I am against the fashionable fad of low carbs that appears to pervade everywhere.

50 to 55% of your diet should be carbohydrates. It is a myth that you should try and avoid carbohydrates when you are on a diet. Rather the other way round I should say. Carbohydrates are a ready source of energy and so 50 to 55% of your diet should be carbohydrates.

Mado

lolly101 wrote: »

I think the fact that humans still exist provides more than enough evidence! We didn't start eating grains and such until relatively recently, so biologically, and on an individual, and dietary, level - we do not need carbs.

If that is all the "proof" you can provide then really you have no understanding about science or evolution. We only thrived as a specie when we started farming and developed ways to feed ourselves all year long using... grains. Your low carb diet has very little to do with that of early humans. Neither has your lifestyle, health or life expectancy.

lolly101 wrote: »

Yes, you are probably right in saying that most of the planet would starve without them, but I think we both know that that is not what I was suggesting, and that it is not particularly relevant to this conversation.

Not only is it not probable but a fact, but it is far more relevant than stating "well humans still exist, so that's the proof".
Fact again; most of SE Asia's diets are based on a grain, rice, and until recent times, they knew none of the diet realted health issues that are currently affecting western countries.
When did it all change? Well, when they started eating processed rubbish, sugary soft drinks and a lot more meat. Not when they suddenly started eating rice. 3 times a day.

Could you please provide examples of these so called "government's outdated version of healthy eating" because I have never come across any that was grossly wrong?

stevenazhuo wrote: »

50 to 55% of your diet should be carbohydrates. It is a myth that you should try and avoid carbohydrates when you are on a diet. Rather the other way round I should say. Carbohydrates are a ready source of energy and so 50 to 55% of your diet should be carbohydrates.

No disagreement there. As long as you stay away from the super processed sugary stuff, even when hidden away as corn syrup and the likes.

Old_Socks_old_Stick

Room for one more?? Little bit about me and then advice would be appreciated, please and thank you

Today is day 1 of fasting. My last meal was yesterday afternoon about 4.00pm but I did have a chocolate about 8pm:p I plan to eat nothing till around tea time tonight. I've had 2 cups of tea so far and not really feeling any hunger pangs.

I'm not doing this to lose weight, I'm in the middle of the healthy BMI region. I am doing this for the health aspects. I do exercise, but I won't be exercising during fast days. Or can I still exercise? I run about 3 miles a day, so not very much, but better than nothing

I plan to have my 2 fast days Mon and Thursday. I watched Michaels documentry and saw how eating healthy and eating junk made little difference during the eat days. As I don't want to 'diet' I will eat what I want, not saying that means putting processed food into me as I don't normally do that. But I will have, say, a biscuit or two

Yikes!! just realised it's finally happening ...... good to luck to any other newbies starting the 5:2 diet:T

silvasava

I only started last Thursday - my second day will be tomorrow. (Tuesdays & Thursdays) I go to a Yoga class at 6pm on a Thursday & I didn't have any problems but I did have 2 scrambled eggs on toast at about 4pm. I would try a few fast days & see how you feel - some people don't seem to find they have any effects from a fast day whereas some others do. Trial & error

Mado

Old_Socks_old_Stick wrote: »

I'm not doing this to lose weight, I'm in the middle of the healthy BMI region. I am doing this for the health aspects. I do exercise, but I won't be exercising during fast days. Or can I still exercise? I run about 3 miles a day, so not very much, but better than nothing

I also think that trial and error is the way to go.Try once and see how you feel.
Initially I avoided it, but then when I run in the summer I sometimes do it before breakfast with no ill effect (in fact I couldn't run straight after).
I have now gone to my regular bodypump classes on fast days and found it made no difference.

Old_Socks_old_Stick

Thank you both!

I have my first hunger pangs, but I know these come in waves so not to worried or I should say, I don't feel like I am ready to crack yet.

lolly101

Mado wrote: »

If that is all the "proof" you can provide then really you have no understanding about science or evolution. We only thrived as a specie when we started farming and developed ways to feed ourselves all year long using... grains. Your low carb diet has very little to do with that of early humans. Neither has your lifestyle, health or life expectancy.

Not only is it not probable but a fact, but it is far more relevant than stating "well humans still exist, so that's the proof".
Fact again; most of SE Asia's diets are based on a grain, rice, and until recent times, they knew none of the diet realted health issues that are currently affecting western countries.
When did it all change? Well, when they started eating processed rubbish, sugary soft drinks and a lot more meat. Not when they suddenly started eating rice. 3 times a day.

Could you please provide examples of these so called "government's outdated version of healthy eating" because I have never come across any that was grossly wrong?

That is not all of the evidence that I could provide, I just asusmed that anyone thinking rationally would accept that as fact as it is pretty plain and simple. I had no intention of starting the battle of knowledge (no matter how irrelevant it all is!), that you seem to be driving this converstion towards. I came here to chat about the 5:2 diet, not provide links, quotes, or whatever to try and prove a point that is already pretty blinking obvious! Saying this, I would be happy to provide further evidence if I thought it would help, but I suspect that you would attempt to discredit anything I offered by veering off topic, then telling me that you are right in saying it.

Your point was that I am wrong in saying that humans, on an individual level, do not need carbs to survive. We survived without carbs for thousands of years, and many people still do today - so how am I wrong in saying this? Offering facts about farming strategies and the eating habits of the population of SE Asia is all very well and good, but it does not disprove my point. I admit that I am no expert on science or evolution, but as it formed part of my degree I would say that I have a pretty good level of understanding, not that I would ever have imagined that it would be required to engage in chat on a diet forum!