Olympics Security bailed out by army..

olly300

G4S are going to lose 50 million pounds on it's screw up.

Not enough in my book.

Edited to say: But then I'm extremely biased from the work I do and who I'm related to.

olly300

grizzly1911 wrote: »

I have also worked with ex MOD procurement guy, in a private sector role, and he was a nightmare.

Doesn't help when their long-term partner either doesn't work or works in the same agency/department.

Most sensible people seem to have partners who work elsewhere.

grizzly1911

Notice the news says that G$S could lose up to £50m because of their problems. Didn't say whether this is money the Government won't pay them or whether it will be an actual loss.

It also mentioned that the police have got to step in to fill gaps too.

lemonjelly

A._Badger wrote: »

I suppose the concept of 'competition' eludes you?

If a company fails to perform because it doesn't satisfy its consumers it goes out of business. If a government department fails we pay more taxes.

Where this goes wrong is when the state decides to inhibit competition (see 'socialism', 'the EU' , 'corporatism' etc) which results in both a bloated public and artificial private sector.

What? You mean like RBS? Northern Rock? Bradford & Bingley? Lloyds TSB? or how about National Rail?

Business' get tax breaks & incentives all the time - development loans, funding, tax allowances. Hell, even the wages they pay their staff are subsidised by tax credits & other means tested benefits.

A._Badger

lemonjelly wrote: »

What? You mean like RBS? Northern Rock? Bradford & Bingley? Lloyds TSB? or how about National Rail?

Business' get tax breaks & incentives all the time - development loans, funding, tax allowances. Hell, even the wages they pay their staff are subsidised by tax credits & other means tested benefits.

Yes, and they shouldn't have. That's why what we do not have is the capitalism that you and your fellow travellers on the Left like to pretend has 'failed'. What we have is neither socialism nor capitalism but some of the worst aspects of both, where Big Government operates hand in glove with Big Business against the interests of hoi polloi and in the service of the political class.

Andy_L

olly300 wrote: »

Unfortunately many civil servants don't have real world experience so don't know that they need to check the small print of contracts, and that they can insert penalty clauses.

Except if you try & insert meaningful penalty clauses they either don't bid or raise their price to cover the risk. Not to mention that, AIUI, penalty clauses that are disproportinate to the loss incured aren't enforcible so in this "omni-shambles" thats the extra costs of deploying the Millitary (eg not their basic salary etc that would have been paid anyway)

olly300 wrote: »

They actually rely on people from the private sector via outsourcing to help ensure they don't get screwed.

and why do we think the CS can't recruit/retain contracts staff that are as good as thre private sector ones?

bankhater_1965

nobody has mentioned batman & robin yet as to the chuckle brothers in goverment who are clueless (cameroon&osbourne)! would you not agree the city & the event would be in safer hands ???

purch

bankhater_1965 wrote: »

nobody has mentioned batman & robin yet as to the chuckle brothers in goverment

Probably because nobody has a !!!!ing clue what you are on about :eek:

kabayiri

Andy_L wrote: »

Except if you try & insert meaningful penalty clauses they either don't bid or raise their price to cover the risk. Not to mention that, AIUI, penalty clauses that are disproportinate to the loss incured aren't enforcible so in this "omni-shambles" thats the extra costs of deploying the Millitary (eg not their basic salary etc that would have been paid anyway)




and why do we think the CS can't recruit/retain contracts staff that are as good as thre private sector ones?

How can you get meaningful contracts with genuinely punishing terms when the supplier knows that
- they are one of just a handful who can even tender for the work
- they deal with the government departments all the time and know their foibles/propensities
- they can employ the best legal bods to tie up a contract in knots precisely because it can prevent serious exposure down the line

I reckon LOCOG are partly culpable, but I suspect the people at the top of that body will still get their handsome rewards.

purch

kabayiri wrote: »

I reckon LOCOG are partly culpable, but I suspect the people at the top of that body will still get their handsome rewards.

Of course they are.

It is quite bizarre how easily LOCOG thought they could employ or sub-contract workers for a month.