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I know someone who applied to G4S for some of this work. Telephone interview & online test was months ago. He heard nothing for ages. I even gave up asking him about it.
Last week, my phone rang. It was G4S asking for a reference for him. I rang him to tell him. They hadn't been in touch with him. Then friday, they called him for his SIA licence number. He was at work at the time & didn't have it on him. They said they'd call back. They haven't.
Seems to be a complete recruitment shambles there, by G4S simply not doing their job.
Plus, there are going to be 3500 people who would have been working, & therefore not claiming benefits, who will now be stuck in the benefits trap.It's getting harder & harder to keep the government in the manner to which they have become accustomed.0 -
I'm sorry you seem to be suffering from reading difficulties but please try again and pay particular attention to the words: "Here's a response that even the Graiunad published,"....
Clue: think about the word: "response"
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Courtesy of that paper."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
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I'm sorry you seem to be suffering from reading difficulties but please try again and pay particular attention to the words: "Here's a response that even the Graiunad published,"....
Clue: think about the word: "response"
"said they had to camp under London Bridge". In fact, nobody was sent to camp under a bridge overnight. The volunteer group arrived early, at 3am, and were de-bussed by the coach company who had estimated a 5am time of arrival. Unfortunately my staff member did not deal with this in the way I would have hoped" Guardian
Either way they appear to have been removed from the bus and left to linger round, away from home turf, until the due time.
Perhaps they just sought shelter from the cold and weather under a bridge. Wasn't real camping just sleeping rough.
I don't know, they may have made it all up."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »State run wastage = private sector profit.
Net result to tax payer = 0 and quite possibly a negative return when they have to be rescued.
Doesn't need to be a professor anybody who has witnessed the stunning bailouts of outsourcing could come to the same conclusion.
I suppose the concept of 'competition' eludes you?
If a company fails to perform because it doesn't satisfy its consumers it goes out of business. If a government department fails we pay more taxes.
Where this goes wrong is when the state decides to inhibit competition (see 'socialism', 'the EU' , 'corporatism' etc) which results in both a bloated public and artificial private sector.0 -
I suppose the concept of 'competition' eludes you?
If a company fails to perform because it doesn't satisfy its consumers it goes out of business. If a government department fails we pay more taxes.
Where this goes wrong is when the state decides to inhibit competition (see 'socialism', 'the EU' , 'corporatism' etc) which results in both a bloated public and artificial private sector.
The concept of competition is fine when it is private discretionary spend as it can be left to private enterprise to fight amongst themselves and if they don't survive so what.
When they take the tax payers gold plated dollar/pound/euro the game changes. This can be seen through PFI , IT projects, Network Rail, Southern Cross etc. when it becomes the eternal drip.
Many outsourced contracts are bid low to acquire them, with expensive extras if required.
Over time the contract price increases, as the true commitment becomes clear and any non contracted changes are charged at penal rates.
Either way, private/public you eventually get bloat in cost. The cost to the tax payer is the same the only difference is the private company will have sucked out profit along the way, some times way too much leading to failure..
If a private company, providing a service/goods to the Government fails to deliver either the Government steps in to rescue it or agrees to pay more for the service/product as it is a necessity. Even if a newco bids low again the cycle just starts over."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
Well yes, since you ask. In a truly competitive market, margins are competed down to nothing and nobody makes any profit.I suppose the concept of 'competition' eludes you?
Companies prosper by eliminating competition and creating barriers to competition.
G4S's record on delivery is already somewhat less than amazing. So what? Next time we do the Olympics the job will go to somebody else?
Time to put away your Adam Smith In Wonderland and grow up and learn about the real world."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
Well yes, since you ask. In a truly competitive market, margins are competed down to nothing and nobody makes any profit.
Companies prosper by eliminating competition and creating barriers to competition.
G4S's record on delivery is already somewhat less than amazing. So what? Next time we do the Olympics the job will go to somebody else?
Time to put away your Adam Smith In Wonderland and grow up and learn about the real world.
Cue rapturous applause from the disciples of Marx, Engels et al who have still to find a single example of their ideas working.
If G4S has failed as badly as suggested and if it continues to do so, it will eventually be bought by someone else and turned around.or it will fail. There is an endless list of companies that have suffered that fate. PanAm, Marconi, EMI, Saab, Barings, Nokia (watch this space)...
And then there is the question of how G4S was awarded the contract in the first place, and by whom (step forward NuLabour). Companies like G4S at Capita flourish under quasi-socialism. Using them as a stick to beat capitalism with is disingenuous. That's corporatism at work - not capitalism.0 -
Well yes, since you ask. In a truly competitive market, margins are competed down to nothing and nobody makes any profit.
Companies prosper by eliminating competition and creating barriers to competition.
G4S's record on delivery is already somewhat less than amazing. So what? Next time we do the Olympics the job will go to somebody else?
Time to put away your Adam Smith In Wonderland and grow up and learn about the real world.
i have to agree regards to competition created by the margerat thatcher years that alot hailed as going down in history just created low paid jobs and non profitable businesses,the sad thing is we still see the result of such policies today !0 -
chewmylegoff wrote: »If the armed forces has capacity to do this, then why weren't they doing it in the first place? Surely the incremental cost to be tax layer would be far lower if troops, whose salaries are already budgeted for, were used for his sort of thing? Plus why are we making such swingeing cuts to the military, and then using tax revenues to fund payments to G4S to do a job the forces could have done? I'm sure there is a good reason that I am missing.
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But nobody will care when it fails. Modern capitalism is designed to fail. Profits aren't maximised by worrying about the long term. The smart shareholders will take the money and run before the rot sets in.If G4S has failed as badly as suggested and if it continues to do so, it will eventually be bought by someone else and turned around.or it will fail.
Isn't that the same excuse that Marxists use?Using them as a stick to beat capitalism with is disingenuous. That's corporatism at work - not capitalism."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0
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