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Olympics Security bailed out by army..
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If they're only supplying 2/3 of the expected manpower, seems like a pretty good deal.G4S are going to lose 50 million pounds on it's screw up."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
Expect another change of name or branding shortly.
Group 4 Securitas took a bit of a media hammering after some high profile mishaps with prisoners - reminiscent of The Life of Brian.
To escape the Group 4 stigma they began to be referred to as G4S.
So what next? G Force perhaps."When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson0 -
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Except if you try & insert meaningful penalty clauses they either don't bid or raise their price to cover the risk. Not to mention that, AIUI, penalty clauses that are disproportinate to the loss incured aren't enforcible ?
If they did actually price the contracts properly to reflect the actual level the covenant they are entering into they wouldn't get the work.
They have to cut corners to make profit and bother doing the business the way all private sector businesses get one over on each other. How they manage the risk or not is what counts.
The public sector by its size absorbs those risks hence why it is classed as bloated and expensive.
AYUI is how AIUI in that any penalties must reflect losses (actual and consequential) with a reasonable premium for the "inconvenience"."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
Of course they are.
It is quite bizarre how easily LOCOG thought they could employ or sub-contract workers for a month and pay them peanuts.
Edited for you;)
Naive and incompetent would like to see their RAID logs.
Hunt say sit is a mere hitch, looking for a job with G4S now a media job fades?"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »
The public sector by its size absorbs those risks hence why it is classed as bloated and expensive.
Er, no. the public sector is classed as bloated and expensive because it usually is - as anyone who has had to deal with HMRC, the MOD or the NHS will know only too well.0 -
Er, no. the public sector is classed as bloated and expensive because it usually is - as anyone who has had to deal with HMRC, the MOD or the NHS will know only too well.
MOD rescues games security and fights pointless wars for politicians, with their hands tied.
NHS rescues breast implants. Interesting to see that in one failing trust (Morecambe) clinicians are being given control as the bureaucrats seemed less than capable in managing.
Both case privatised companies and practices didn't step up to the mark.
Don't dispute efficiencies could be made in both areas, rather than bottom up I suggest we start in Whitehall and work down.
Local Government is another matter.
Public Sector waste = Private Sector profit either way costs the tax payer the same."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »MOD rescues games security and fights pointless wars for politicians, with their hands tied.
NHS rescues breast implants. Interesting to see that in one failing trust (Morecambe) clinicians are being given control as the bureaucrats seemed less than capable in managing.
Both case privatised companies and practices didn't step up to the mark.
Don't dispute efficiencies could be made in both areas, rather than bottom up I suggest we start in Whitehall and work down.
Local Government is another matter.
Public Sector waste = Private Sector profit either way costs the tax payer the same.
Utter B !!!!!!. The MoD rescued f all - the army is increasing its presence. They're two completely different things, one, an organisation that gets things done regardless of the sh!te given to them by politicians, 'civil' servants or anyone else, the other, the MoD. Don't ever dare suggest the ar5e polishers in the MoD are fit to lick the boots of any serviceman.It only takes one tree to make a thousand matches, it only takes one match to burn a thousand trees. As well, the cars are all passing me, bright lights are flashing me.
Johnny Was. Once.
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grizzly1911 wrote: »MOD rescues games security and fights pointless wars for politicians, with their hands tied.
You can't seriously be holding the MOD up as an example of efficiency can you? And doing so on the count of a single incident that has no bearing on the efficiency or otherwise, of the MOD, when it is widely acknowledged as the gaping drain down which billions of pounds of taxpayers' money have been poured?!
In 2012, a report for the UK government claimed the MOD was wasting between £1.5 and 2.5bn per year - and it was a report co-authored by a former Labour defence secretary for a Labour government!
]grizzly1911 wrote: »NHS rescues breast implants. Interesting to see that in one failing trust (Morecambe) clinicians are being given control as the bureaucrats seemed less than capable in managing.
Both case privatised companies and practices didn't step up to the mark.
Your claim about NHS trusts is bizarre. They are legendary for inefficiency and waste and that is why they are collapsing. They are not, by any sane definition, private enterprises and even if the clowns who run them are highly (over)paid, that doesn't make them businessmen. The are bureaucrats operating in a typically inefficient state sector way.grizzly1911 wrote: »Public Sector waste = Private Sector profit either way costs the tax payer the same.
Keep repeating it doesn't make it true. State systems are inherently wasteful which is why the past 30 years or so have seen governments struggle to rid themselves of them - sometimes successfully, sometimes not.0 -
Utter B !!!!!!. The MoD rescued f all - the army is increasing its presence. They're two completely different things, one, an organisation that gets things done regardless of the sh!te given to them by politicians, 'civil' servants or anyone else, the other, the MoD. Don't ever dare suggest the ar5e polishers in the MoD are fit to lick the boots of any serviceman.
In the Whitehall bit of the MoD (which I presume you're talking about rather than, eg the scientists, engineers & technicians, intelligence analysts, admin support etc directly supporting the military) about 1/2 are serving soldiers, with the ratio increasing when when you look at the people in positions to make policy decisions rather than the admin support grades0
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