Preparedness for when

greenbee

Blue_Doggy wrote: »

Perhaps there are some available from a dusty store-room in the old Commonwealth that they could send us ...

Apparently not. I think they are still using theirs.

They appear mystified as to why we have opted to leave, and are clear that if we are labouring under any illusion that they'll e welcoming us back into trade agreements with open arms that we have another thing coming. They have their own trade agreements, many set up when we abandoned them to join the common market.

I keep being asked whether I'm going to leave tomorrow or stay and claim asylum...

It's an interesting week to be working in a Commonwealth country...

maryb

New Zealand has offered to second some experienced trade negotiators to us, since we no longer have our own teams, is very interested in doing a trade deal and has said it will work closely with Australia.

Everyone is looking at this from the prospect of us being a bridge into Europe for the rest of the world and attracting a lot of inward investment that way. It takes the EU years to negotiate trade deals and if we can somehow maintain access to the single market and at the same time negotiate external trade deals that the EU has not yet got round to, then we could very well be a bridge for the EU to the rest of the world

If we were still a predominantly manufacturing country I would say the future is looking bright. But we are not and the impact on the financial sector is concerning

At the moment it's a game of chicken. The EU don't want to give us a deal on access to the single market in case it encourages the others to demand special deals. But despite the posturing they will come up with something at the eleventh hour. We don't necessarily lose by waiting IF our politicians are up to the job. I remain to be convinced

moneyistooshorttomention

pineapple wrote: »

Hey watch it. I'm even older!

It's okay m'dear - I'm older than her as well:rotfl:

but mind still functioning as well as ever:)

EDIT; and yes I think the EU is sinking anyway and I've always been of a mind to "cut losses and go" in life if its clear something isnt working out. Why would the EU be any different? We might be in for short-term pain (though I honestly couldnt say to what extent) but I think our long-term best interests are served by going.

maryb

Comment from the British Bankers Association that it was a good thing that the regulators were tough with the banks forcing them to raise so much additional capital, and that it had paid off in the immediate post Brexit turmoil. I always thought it would be a good thing if our banks had the opportunity to differentiate themselves from the other European banks. That way when (and I suspect it is when rather than if) there is a crisis spreading from the Italian banks to the French and German banks, we may be able to limit the contagion

There is a real possibility of getting first mover advantage out of Brexit. Again it depends on the Government being up to the job. Interesting to see that Theresa May is proposing to set up a dedicated Whitehall department to deal with Brexit. I think something along those lines us needed.

GreyQueen

milasavesmoney wrote: »

I just saw a young lady interviewed on Sky News who said she'd always been European but now that the vote was over she was just British. I cringed...and I'm an American.

Yeah, I'm glad I don't actually have a telly or I'd've thrown something at it, on seeing that. The nitwit was always a Briton which is part of Europe, but it's about 12,000 years since we were actually attached to the continent. Well, attached as in part of the same landmass, as opposed to attached by the Channel Tunnel. We're an island - get over it. No one's planning to unzip us from the bedrock and tow us off somewhere else, are they?

I consider myself to belong to the county of my birth (and current residence), then my region within England, then England, then the UK, then Europe, then the world. It's degrees of affinity based on knowledge, shared culture and personal history. I'm well-travelled in the wider world and have lived in other parts of the UK, but I like living in my own region. In fact, I love it.:)

I like driving down roads I biked down as a kid, past the dance hall (remains of) where my parents met, past farms that used to be in the family, through villages where my ancestors (and some of) my present living kin live. I like having the oral history of the fields, the farms, the funny old boys my Dad worked with in the 1950s, some of whom were Victorians and WW1 veterans. I like that I know things about the landscape from people who lived there, that I know the names of the plants, and the history. I like it that I can 'see' things which aren't there anymore, and haven't been there in my lifetime, through descriptions from people who did see and know them well.

Does that make me a Little Englander? Or any less of a European? I don't think so. I don't like it that a farm that my Grandad worked on as recently as the 1980s is now owned by a transnational food conglomerate and that there are no jobs for locals there; the labour is solely eastern european and living in slummy caravans provided by the company on the site itself. With all kinds of rules about association i.e. like don't have your friends around even in your own time.

Free movement of labour has created an international mobile peasantry doing carp work for carp wages in carp conditions. This is a world away from elite workers moving internationally for advancement and cultural enrichment. Most international workers fall into this category, and they're very popular with the business-owning classes.

Gosh, I think it was a Torygraph article a few days ago which had a headline saying what about your cleaner, your au pair, your builder now we're Out. Pretty much a Marie Antionette moment, I thought.

VJsmum

GreyQueen wrote: »

Gosh, I think it was a Torygraph article a few days ago which had a headline saying what about your cleaner, your au pair, your builder now we're Out. Pretty much a Marie Antionette moment, I thought.

God - they don't help do they??

i was saying to my SiL the other day about being "a working class girl"

She said - "ooh don't say that, our housekeeper always says that" :rotfl: (apparently a joke her mother used to say, but i'm nicking it! )

But i will argue on the builder thing. The vast majority of labour (both labourers and craftsmen) on building projects these days is from E. Europe. The construction industry is one of the biggest in the country (Around 10% of GDP) and, if it goes down, then the country goes down. It is hard to get any UK citizens interested in the work - though i appreciate that there is a possibility that wages held artificially low wont help that. I visited Battersea Power station site last year and the site manager said that the E Europeans were coming in from all over london but a recruitment drive on the housing estate next door resulted in nothing.

Policing of wages is something that should be addressed, we have laws about slavery etc and they should be imposed.

As for au pairs, weren't they around long before free movement?

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OK if the cleaners, au pairs and builders are out He and I will have to go abroad PDQ as we do those jobs ourselves and always have! what percentage of this populace actually have cleaners and au pairs? certainly none of my acquaintance in the village or elsewhere. Most people I know and know of are living a reasonable life through their own efforts, none of us are rich in the perceived sense of having wealth and possessions but we're ALL rich in being masters of our own fate and making life as good and comfortable for ourselves as we can on the means we have available and sharing any surpluses be it produce, things or our time and labour to help our friends and neighbours to be the same. It's about time that the citizens of the UK got their feet back on the ground and actually looked at reality. We are an able race, never before has the young of the nation had such a safe ride as they do nowadays, there is free education(not counting university), health care, a benefits system, law and order and there hasn't been a war for 71 years , life expectancy is increasing and pensions in older age mean not starving. We have enough for our needs and as an older person I am darned grateful that we do.

I'm genuinely pleased that Theresa May has decided to stand for consideration as PM, she's a strong, dignified and adult lady, I think she has the ability to stay calm and steely in adverse times, she I feel will be a good match for the Angela Merkels and Junkers in power in Europe.

moneyistooshorttomention

I'd reckon on Theresa May as 2nd choice - as I think she's someone who "takes no prisoners" and I think we need that in these circumstances.

But, considering the background of Stephen Crabb, then if you can fight your way out of that background - then you aren't a wimp either.

I think either of them would "do the trick" from what I can see.

Boris Johnston gives me the impression of someone that would "fuffle around" (as I call it) - rather than doing the "Make a Step by Step Plan - and then work their way straight through it regardless".

I notice we're being "hinted at" by France now that perhaps we could stay in with our restrictions being accepted on "free movement". Why didnt they blimmin' say so in the first place - and we could have avoided all this if it were the case?:cool: But I'd want that in writing, triple-signed in block letters by every single EU member country before I'd believe it - and I'd still have a Plan B in mind in case they reneged. So - hopes were raised slightly by that comment - and then instantly realised "No - we'll never get that. Brexit as per plan it is then".<shrugs>

mrs-moneypenny

Morning all.
I doubt we'll ever go back to the days of our youth, when up you only went into further education if you had a definate plan to go into a job or career that required it. I got educated to a reasonable level and left school at 16 as my mum needed the 'board money' I went to work at the local hosiery factory that I'd previously done my two weeks work experience at. (I did have experience of work as I'd shelf stacked after school at a local shop from the age of 14 and washed glasses at the local pub at weekends).
Nowadays a high percentage of youths seem to think going to uni and having a gap year is their right and once they have the degree in what ever subject they then think they are too educated to work in a lowly job like retail.
We need to have homegrown brickies, plumbers, painters, seamstresses and all those other practical jobs that aren't very rock n roll but someone has to do them. It's all very well the news keep telling us "where would the NHS be without the migrant workers" we should not have stopped producing hard workers ourselves.

I don't think the is an answer now, everyone seems to be pushed into higher education as if they are somehow failing if they don't follow that path, but then there aren't enough jobs needing degrees etc for everyone. There are some who that is not the correct path for that is why the education system fails and we have people with a low level of literacy who then fall into the trap of being almost unemployable because they resent seeing what everyone else has and has a sense that they are entitled to have it for themselves.
I don't think this is necessarily a problem caused by the free movement of people and migrant workers I think in part this attitude may have created some of that problem.

Other of my bugbears of the modern age while I'm on my soapbox are shops and pubs seeming to be open all hours, back in the day when we had 1/2 day closing on Wednesdays and no shops open on Sunday's did anyone actually starve? Now everyone shops with a siege mentality when the shops dare to allow their staff just one day off for Christmas. People could still get as suitably drunk as their needs required when last orders was called at around 10.30pm and there was a period between lunch and evening drinkIng where you were expected to have homes to go to. Now there are pubs and clubs where you can drink from lunchtime to about 6am and still find somewhere open to eat afterwards. (Kebab for breakfast anyone?)

You can't put the genie back in the bottle. There is now no answer to any of this as the majority of people would feel there rights were violated if you took away the chance to shop and drink 24/7 it just makes me wonder where society is heading.

jk0

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

I notice we're being "hinted at" by France now that perhaps we could stay in with our restrictions being accepted on "free movement". Why didnt they blimmin' say so in the first place - and we could have avoided all this if it were the case?:cool: But I'd want that in writing, triple-signed in block letters by every single EU member country before I'd believe it - and I'd still have a Plan B in mind in case they reneged. So - hopes were raised slightly by that comment - and then instantly realised "No - we'll never get that. Brexit as per plan it is then".<shrugs>

I think it's probably the language difference. We have intonations in our speech that show how annoyed or serious we are when we say something. Presumably that doesn't get transferred when translated.