Preparedness for when

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My withers are wrung (least if what I think are withers are actually withers, then wrung they definitely are) and I can remember being 18 just, when I was 18 I had to give up life, job, prospects and everything else that an 18 year old holds dear as my mother for the second time in her life contracted tuberculosis and said that if I didn't she'd refuse to go and be treated in hospital and she'd lay on the sofa and die and it would be entirely my fault. So I did, and spent 3 years on no income looking after my father and brother and running the house and generally being domestic. When she was released from hospital it took 2 weeks for her to decide I was a lazy good for nothing who was sponging on my parents and I got an ultimatum of get off your lazy backside and get a job or you'll be out!!! Oh yes, wrung withers for the young of today BUT they will surprise themselves by surviving this time of change and maybe even be better people in a better place for the experience.

VJsmum

maryb wrote: »

Just checked. I was thinking of this bit

Where there is no vacancy, nominations
may be sought by potential challengers
each year prior to the annual session of
party conference. In this case any
nomination must be supported by 20 per
cent of the Commons members of the PLP.
Nominations not attaining this threshold
shall be null and void.

However the next clause goes on to say that affiliated organisations can also nominate. So MPs could still find Corbyn is nominated against their wishes.

I have read that the unions are backing Corbyn, that membership of the labour party has risen dramatically, that there are petitions with hundreds of thousands of signatures in support of Corbyn. i can think of two new members of the labour party already

maryb wrote: »

Not all of them are whingeing Grey Queen - some of them are genuinely anxious, never having lived through Interesting Times before and not being able to take the media reports with a sufficiently large pinch of salt. And if you are at that stage in your life when you are about to start on your career it will make finding a good job even harder, because recruitment is bound to be scaled back. Project Fear has left its mark

Quite, thank you. I have had a rough old upbringing among the poorest in society. i have lived through times more interesting than most could dream of - and i got out of it through my own hard work. And a state funded education.

I am terrified of the consequences of this - not 'headless chicken' terrified, but if I really think about what this might lead to (forget the media stories) then, yes, i'm scared. if we go, then the country is likely to have years of hardship, the poorest in society are really going to suffer. not me and mine - we might not be able to have an extra holiday, but i can live with that - but those who really need the help of the state.

I have had it thrown at me that I "can afford private healthcare and private education" so it's alright for me. Actually, I can't - or certainly not both. I have heard that people voted out to put the "Great" back into Britain or to "take our country back". What i haven't heard is how. How am i now not going to have to afford private healthcare or education (which actually wont affect me that much as my two are on the end of that now), how is the "great" going to be put back and how are we going to "take our country back"? Back from where or whom?

if i was descended from another ethnicity I would be in fear for my life right now due to the effing racist thugs that seem to think they have the right to "take their country back" by any means - even though (were i them) I WOULD HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO BE HERE and probably work harder than the lot of them. i am NOT saying that people on this thread are racist, or everyone who voted out is. but you can bet your life that all / most of the racists voted out.

We can't do a deal with Europe without their terms, including free movement. So what are we going to do?

Actual policy seems to be in very short supply at the moment.

I did not vote to remain (just) for my own interests, or those of my children. On the whole we will (probably, fingers crossed) be OK. i voted in for the sake of the poorest in society, whom i genuinely believed would be better off if we stayed in.

I am mad as hell, and frankly scared. i really want to know why the out voters are not scared. I genuinely would love to know what there is to look forward to - please educate me so that i can feel better.

I'd probably better shut up and go now....

Edit - this is not a personal attack. i respect those who post on this thread and their reasons for what they voted, I think the thing most wrong with this whole shebang is that the majority were voting for the same reasons - to make things better. My own sister, who i love dearly was an outer and I won't pick a fight with her and i'm not picking one with you. I am blowing off steam, though i really want something to look forward to....

I am cursing David Cameron and his d**k swinging policies and the media who spun everybody lies...

milasavesmoney

I just saw a young lady interviewed on Sky News who said she'd always been European but now that the vote was over she was just British. I cringed...and I'm an American.

monnagran

I know GQ. Precious little darlings, it's not their fault, they have been so pampered that they think they are the centre of the universe. They think that a disaster is breaking a fingernail or someone making a not-nice comment about them on FB. Perhaps I exaggerate, but not much.

Like your Nan, my mum sat under the table with me while bomb blast shattered all the Windows, and ran over a bridge like a bat out of hell with me in my pushchair when planes were flying towards her dropping bombs in the river, and dragged me and said pushchair under a hedge while a German plane hedgehopped over the top of us.
I think I must have been about 10 before I had a dress that was made from new material and not from the the unworn-out parts of some grownups dress.

Ah well. How we have suffered. I hope all my readers are mopping their streaming eyes by now.

Sorry to hear about your Nan. It's not fair is it? Anyone in their 90's who has had the sort of hard life that that generation endured should at least be able to spend their last years in peace and gentleness.
Oh. If only I ruled the world.

x

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The young woman concerned will have to learn to be proud to be British! it's done, no amount of wanting will change the fact that the majority of voters who could be bothered to turn out voted leave. I don't know what the future holds, but if I have any hand in it then it will be as good as I can make it. I'm not unsympathetic to the fears and uncertainty, it's not going to be a walk in the park but I'm damned if I'll just be a victim, this is my country and whatever it takes to make it a good future for ALL of us I'll give 100% to and I know I'm not alone in that!

Blue_Doggy

GreyQueen wrote: »

I'm really sorry but I fear the loss of summer may be attributed to me. Y'see, after several years of not even owning a pair of sandals, I decided to buy a pair last month. They're pink and have been worn outdoors twice (and rained on once).

This weather pattern set in about the time of my purchase. I know it wouldn't satisfy the scientific mind, correlation not being proof of causation and all that jazz, but I still feel as if I blighted the barely-born summer in its cradle.

;) Please accept my 'umblest apologies (says she with a dripping brolly in her hall, damp hair and wet shoes).

Are you sure they're really sandals and not wing-flapping butterflies in disguise?

pineapple

VJsmum wrote: »

i really want to know why the out voters are not scared. I genuinely would love to know what there is to look forward to - please educate me so that i can feel better.

It's Ok VJsmum, allow me to be a little bit scared with you. A poster on another website announced confidently that this would only impact bankers and business (like businesses don't employ people?). I wonder how many there are like this who are about to get a rude awakening? It could impact on all of us in either a small or a large way depending on circumstances and there are people living on the edge already.
What's different between this time and, say, the war and post war years is people's expectations and sense of entitlement, reduced copng skills, less community/family cohesion and an enemy within to blame - ie pensioners or immigrants or anyone with a different religion, skin colour, accent etc... We are in different times.
However for me 'taking my country back' means taking it back from Brussels. It may sound a bit tin foil hattish but I feel there is something fundamentally evil about what the EU is becoming - though it was set up with some laudable aims.. Whatever - I don't think we could go on much longer being subsumed by this bloated bureaucratic monster which I believe is on it's last legs anyway. It's going to be a volatile and turbulent year or two but if we can get through this I genuinely feel we are sparing ourselves much bigger pain down the road. I think of the EU as a sinking boat with a hole in it. Everyone is frantically trying to block the hole and scoop out the water but we have made the decision to jump into the water and strike out for land and have given ourselves a chance. At least I hope so!
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/matthew-ellery/eu-referendum_b_9514608.html
https://hbr.org/2013/06/the-european-union-a-failed-ex

Blue_Doggy

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

I did think "Is she off her cotton-pickin' mind for virtually saying 'come one come all' into Germany?" At that point - I just reacted with "That's one way to commit political suicide - and I bet she gets held to account for that come the first chance to get rid of her". I honestly wondered whether she was quite sane when she basically gave out that message - I'm still wondering....

I just literally couldnt believe how anyone could act so determinedly against Germany's best interests (and her own long-term prospects) and am still wondering why she did that.

Okays - your starter for 10. Can anyone explain what her reasoning was in doing that?

Does anyone know why, having made her invitation to the refugees to go to Germany, she did not organise transport but left the poor souls to the mercy of traffickers selling them ricketty boats, and then having to walk hundreds of miles through hostile countries?*

Couldn't she have chartered planes to carry them from Turkey to Germany? They could have been "processed" in Turkey before getting on the planes. Or she could have chartered some cruise liners, and done all the ID checks etc on board, while giving the Germans time to organise where the refugees were to live, work, be educated etc.

Seems like a job half done.

*to say nothing of dumping the task of looking after them on the impoverished Greeks in the first instance, and the environmental damage all the way up the Balkans.

VJsmum

pineapple wrote: »

It's Ok VJsmum, allow me to be a little bit scared with you. A poster on another website announced confidently that this would only impact bankers and business (like businesses don't employ people?). I wonder how many there are like this who are about to get a rude awakening? It could impact on all of us in either a small or a large way depending on circumstances and there are people living on the edge already.
What's different between this time and, say, the war and post war years is people's expectations and sense of entitlement, reduced copng skills, less community/family cohesion and an enemy within to blame - ie pensioners or immigrants or anyone with a different religion, skin colour, accent etc... We are in different times.
However for me 'taking my country back' means taking it back from Brussels. It may sound a bit tin foil hattish but I feel there is something fundamentally evil about what the EU is becoming - though it was set up with some laudable aims.. Whatever - I don't think we could go on much longer being subsumed by this bloated bureaucratic monster which I believe is on it's last legs anyway. It's going to be a volatile and turbulent year or two but if we can get through this I genuinely feel we are sparing ourselves much bigger pain down the road. I think of the EU as a sinking boat with a hole in it. Everyone is frantically trying to block the hole and scoop out the water but we have made the decision to jump into the water and strike out for land and have given ourselves a chance. At least I hope so!
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/matthew-ellery/eu-referendum_b_9514608.html
https://hbr.org/2013/06/the-european-union-a-failed-ex

Thank you. I hope so too.

And I think you might be right, I think the EU is a sinking boat. And, maybe, if it sinks, then we can all work out an alternative.

Blue_Doggy

monnagran wrote: »

I know GQ. Precious little darlings, it's not their fault, they have been so pampered that they think they are the centre of the universe. They think that a disaster is breaking a fingernail or someone making a not-nice comment about them on FB. Perhaps I exaggerate, but not much.

Like your Nan, my mum sat under the table with me while bomb blast shattered all the Windows, and ran over a bridge like a bat out of hell with me in my pushchair when planes were flying towards her dropping bombs in the river, and dragged me and said pushchair under a hedge while a German plane hedgehopped over the top of us.
I think I must have been about 10 before I had a dress that was made from new material and not from the the unworn-out parts of some grownups dress.

Ah well. How we have suffered. I hope all my readers are mopping their streaming eyes by now.

Sorry to hear about your Nan. It's not fair is it? Anyone in their 90's who has had the sort of hard life that that generation endured should at least be able to spend their last years in peace and gentleness.
Oh. If only I ruled the world.

x

What we need is an import of a very large quantity of Stiff-Upper-Lips for all the poor youngsters and other whingers (including those who, like the man I was talking to yesterday, voted out and is exceedingly miffed that actual exit did not take place on Monday at the latest - gosh, he went on about it!).

Perhaps there are some available from a dusty store-room in the old Commonwealth that they could send us ...