Preparedness for when

mrs-moneypenny

I don't know enough about Stephen crab to have an opinion either way on him, but agree with what has been said about Theresa May as in she is at least used to being in a position of power and able to negotiate. I just wish she'd come out earlier as to where her loyalties are. At the moment personal job preservation seems the main goal, but I suppose it's that with most MPs.

Andrea leadsom and Michael Gove have now officially thrown their hats in the ring as leadership contenders.

ivyleaf

pineapple wrote: »

It's Ok VJsmum, allow me to be a little bit scared with you. A poster on another website announced confidently that this would only impact bankers and business (like businesses don't employ people?). I wonder how many there are like this who are about to get a rude awakening? It could impact on all of us in either a small or a large way depending on circumstances and there are people living on the edge already.
What's different between this time and, say, the war and post war years is people's expectations and sense of entitlement, reduced copng skills, less community/family cohesion and an enemy within to blame - ie pensioners or immigrants or anyone with a different religion, skin colour, accent etc... We are in different times.
However for me 'taking my country back' means taking it back from Brussels. It may sound a bit tin foil hattish but I feel there is something fundamentally evil about what the EU is becoming - though it was set up with some laudable aims.. Whatever - I don't think we could go on much longer being subsumed by this bloated bureaucratic monster which I believe is on it's last legs anyway. It's going to be a volatile and turbulent year or two but if we can get through this I genuinely feel we are sparing ourselves much bigger pain down the road. I think of the EU as a sinking boat with a hole in it. Everyone is frantically trying to block the hole and scoop out the water but we have made the decision to jump into the water and strike out for land and have given ourselves a chance. At least I hope so!
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/matthew-ellery/eu-referendum_b_9514608.html
https://hbr.org/2013/06/the-european-union-a-failed-ex

I remarked to OH last night that although there will be a lot of problems and difficulties along the way, I can't help feeling that if we had decided in five or ten years' time, rather than now, that we wanted to leave the EU, we might very well have found that it simply could not be done any more

pineapple

MrsLurcherwalker wrote: »

never before has the young of the nation had such a safe ride as they do nowadays, there is free education(not counting university), health care, a benefits system, law and order and there hasn't been a war for 71 years , life expectancy is increasing and pensions in older age mean not starving. We have enough for our needs and as an older person I am darned grateful that we do.

Actually I do think that people like me - the maligned baby boomer - have had the best of times. So in that respect I agree with the younger element.
They were brought up in the tail end of this relatively prosperous period and from their perspective it must seem that the ground is being pulled from beneath them. The world - even the weather is getting increasingly unstable, there are welfare/social cutbacks and the way we are going, people will have to work till they drop. I had some health concerns and was grateful to be able to retire at a few months over 60. It's heading up to 66 and beyond now.
That's not to say I agree with the blame and recrimination that's going on - which is dangerous imo. They are going to have to come to terms with the fact that times and fortunes fluctuate and the world doesn't owe anyone a living.

mrs-moneypenny

ivyleaf wrote: »

I remarked to OH last night that although there will be a lot of problems and difficulties along the way, I can't help feeling that if we had decided in five or ten years' time, rather than now, that we wanted to leave the EU, we might very well have found that it simply could not be done any more

Ivyleaf that was precisely why Dh and I voted the way we did, the EU stranglehold on the countries it contains seems to be getting tighter and tighter. Remained kept saying but if you vote leave you may never get the chance to return no one was voicing my fear that if we didn't get out now we may never get the chance to escape again.
I've read on the web that there were plans afoot to make a eurosuperstate with one army and no internal borders but I don't know if that was fact or more scaremongering.

pineapple

mrs-moneypenny wrote: »

Ivyleaf that was precisely why Dh and I voted the way we did, the EU stranglehold on the countries it contains seems to be getting tighter and tighter. Remained kept saying but if you vote leave you may never get the chance to return no one was voicing my fear that if we didn't get out now we may never get the chance to escape again.
I've read on the web that there were plans afoot to make a eurosuperstate with one army and no internal borders but I don't know if that was fact or more scaremongering.

I believe it was an article in the Express.
On another subject I heard on the news that plans are now afoot to accelerate Turkey joining the EU just as Boris said would happen. Possible the only thing he said that was true....:D

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I speak from the perspective of having been born just after the war and can remember rationing. I speak as someone who grew up in a draughty cold house with 1 fire in one room and frost on the inside of the single glazed windows when I woke up in the mornings. I speak as someone who lived in a house with 1 cold tap in the kitchen and no bathroom and with a single outside toilet.

I now have 2 toilets, a lovely set of double glazed windows, a bathroom with a shower. I don't have to pile coats on my bed any longer because I have enough bedding and we have a house that has HOT WATER, the biggest luxury of all and central heating. I can buy what I want from the shops because a) it's there to buy and b) no restrictions as to the amount if I have enough money to afford it.

That's what I mean by a safe ride, things are the normal that I regarded as unattainable luxuries in childhood and young adulthood and looked at with absolute longing if my friends had them. We've come up a harder road than younger people today because we've lived through the changes that have become the norm, they haven't as the norm has always been that for them. Yes, as baby boomers we've been lucky and benefitted from social welfare, better education, better wages and better housing, the NHS, but not having been born into that era I and many other people know that a good and happy life is totally possible without a lot of the things we have today!

mardatha

Some brilliant posts yesterday, we have a lot more commonsense than anybody in Westminster.
I look on myself as a 100% Scottish and nothing else, not European and not British either.
I didnt vote because the RV wasn't well that day and the village hall/polling station is 2 miles away - but I would have voted out. I don't like the way the EU is going and I don't like how the Germans are taking over, and they have history in that department don't they.. quite a lot of it!
Young people now have it easier than they ever did before and it doesn't seem to have done them a lot of good..

ivyleaf

pineapple wrote: »

I believe it was an article in the Express.
On another subject I heard on the news that plans are now afoot to accelerate Turkey joining the EU just as Boris said would happen. Possible the only thing he said that was true....:D

Which news did you hear that on please, pineapple? It was another reason I voted leave. We kept being told that there was absolutely NO chance Turkey would ever manage to join, and I quite simply didn't believe a word of it.

mrs-moneypenny

Ivyleaf if you google "turkey joining the EU" there are quite a few articles relating to the acceleration of there joining and the various deals being offered.

ivyleaf

Thanks, I'll have a look

ETA I've only found stuff to do with the "visa-free travel" proposal, which i already knew about.