Tutition Fees Argument(Ex-Student Loans)

GoldenEye

lucien_roach wrote: »

ok you may be correct about aeronuatical enigneering i knwo jack all about it be i heard froma few site that competion was fierce for the few places availible

but there is a definate shortage of NHS doctors in this country
one quote from the front page of https://www.doctorsforreform.com

"There will still be a shortage of doctors in 2010"

i studied Physics at A-level ther are at least 16 people in our school currently studying it and 5/6 who will be studying it at uni(i'm after history, an utterly useless degree i'm told) but thats not the norm i know

meh PhD's are pretty rare and are used for research, yes? (since thats what i was told)

Yes I am right about aero eng as it is my field.

You're right, there is a definite shortage of Doctors in the U.K. but the Government has changed the way Doctors get jobs after completing their H.O. training. Their idea is to create competition but the process leaves Doctors with no jobs (stupid Government meddling). This is ridiculous as the taxpayer has paid to train a Doctor and that Doctor will end up going abroad and working in another country at the expense of the U.K. There was a protest rally in London and Glasgow on saturday... on the news. I guess you didn't see it. The people of this Country will end up suffering and we will have less Consultants in the NHS. The majority of Doctors train to work on patient care, not research.

PhD popularity will increase (especially in engineering) as jobs become scarce. A lot of scientists/engineers will also leave to move abroad.

Oldernotwiser

lucien_roach wrote: »

cheers

oh by the way if i look like i'm just picking a fight, sorry.

Why are you prepared to accept money from university hardship funds but not from your parents? If your parents can afford to help but you choose to go to the university instead, you'll be taking money that could have gone to help more deserving students.

lucien_roach

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Why are you prepared to accept money from university hardship funds but not from your parents? If your parents can afford to help but you choose to go to the university instead, you'll be taking money that could have gone to help more deserving students.

hmmmm fair point.......i don't think i would ever take a hardship fund. i didn't really think there.

i porbably would take money from my parents if i were in that position i hadn't really thought about what i was writing.

:embarasse

yeah i agree with you, sorry

AddieH

GoldenEye wrote: »

I agree that tuition fees only benefit well-off kids but the future system should run off "supply and demand".

Not true under the current system, anyone taking a first full-time undergraduate degree can take out a loan for the full cost of their fees regardless of their income and around the poorest 30% get a grant of £2,700 and a bursary of at least £300!

lucien_roach

AddieH wrote: »

Not true under the current system, anyone taking a first full-time undergraduate degree can take out a loan for the full cost of their fees regardless of their income and around the poorest 30% get a grant of £2,700 and a bursary of at least £300!

but this still leaves them with a huge debt, my mother used to work with people who didn't goto to university as a result of labour introducing tutition fees they would have attended if it had not happened because they didn't want to face the debt which the middle classes could face because they have their parents there with money to bail them out (most of the time)

even i know at the back of my head that i have lifeline with my parents, hating to admit it

tr3mor

What difference does your parents' income make to a debt you have to pay back when you're employed?

(Also - I did Maths, Further Maths, Physics and Economics at A-level. I'm in the third year of a Maths and Computer Science degree at the moment. And I can definitely spell definite. )

lucien_roach

so your saying you wouldn't find a extra £9000 debt more scary if you had a lower income background?

thats why i think its unfair.

tr3mor

lucien_roach wrote: »

so your saying you wouldn't find a extra £9000 debt more scary if you had a lower income background?

thats why i think its unfair.

As far as I can tell people with lower income backgrounds love debt. Why are there so many adverts for loans on ITV?

Why does the whole world have chips on their shoulders these days?!

lucien_roach

:mad: !!!!!!!?!? how can you say that.

whatever happened to state paternalism?

people have a right to education and arguing their are too little jobs is no reason to say other people should be discouraged form degrees

screw tutition fees should never have been introduced, the system was much fairer before hand

arguing that its "good" debt, dosen't change the fact its still debt!

tr3mor

The less state paternalism the better. People have their own money and their own minds.

Why should my future taxes be spend on subsidising Tony's 50% of people being sent to polytechnics?

I'd be more inclined to support a right to free education if the majority of students understood their responsibility in undertaking it.