Tutition Fees Argument(Ex-Student Loans)

lucien_roach

I didn't finish my last post cause i went for my dinner but to anwser all the points raised

firstly,

the biggest issue i have with tutition fees is they aren't fair. It is much easier for someone from a higher income family to consider paying off that debt. whereas it it is much more daunting for someone for a lower income family to even consider paying it off.
and giving lower income families priority over the Middle and Upper classes isn't an anwser.

1) "I'd imagine many media students know the difference between "their" and "they're"."

you think i give a damn about spelling and grammar on a internet forum? i've been to a few media classes cause my friends take it. I don't call watching Xena (sp?) the warrior princess exactly challenging. ( i take maths physics and history in comparison) anyway who made you the grammar police?

2)"And suppose 50% of the population want to be educated to PhD level?"

When is that ever gonna happen!?!?

3)"I graduated with a Masters degree in aeronautical engineering and I cannot find a job"

after a little research its a rather competitive area to be be working in, to be fair

"my sister, a Doctor. Some of her Doctor friends cannot find jobs"

If you mean medicine, try contacting the NHS i hear they have a slight shortage.

Otherwise Universities are normally wanting Phd's due to the rarity of them

4) "More graduates doesn't mean more taxes, it means more over qualified people working in call centres."

Again there are definate areas where we are lacking graduates. and why not have an educated population and i hate to make this point but before 1997 there was still the same problem even before tutition fees were first intorduced. Tutition Fees do nothing major except impede the people who are least likely to take on a university course i.e. Lower Income Families.

why thats my reaction to all those comments

Oldernotwiser

Oh, I wish I were 18 again and knew everything. As time goes by I know less and less. Thank God I don't have to teach these idiots anymore!

melbury

Why is everyone always moaning about tuition fees? As far as I know most other countries have to pay them, so why should HE be free here?

lucien_roach

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Oh, I wish I were 18 again and knew everything. As time goes by I know less and less. Thank God I don't have to teach these idiots anymore!

lol(I hate that abbreviation), I don't pretend to know everything i just say what I think.

Plus I like arguing about my beliefs (don't get me started on religion)

lucien_roach

melbury wrote: »

Why is everyone always moaning about tuition fees? As far as I know most other countries have to pay them, so why should HE be free here?

because it once was, and it was one of the best things about this country (i think)

and plus this isn't everywhere else, this is Britain so why should we follow other peoples standards

go welfare state :beer:

GoldenEye

lucien_roach wrote: »

firstly,

the biggest issue i have with tutition fees is they aren't fair. It is much easier for someone from a higher income family to consider paying off that debt. whereas it it is much more daunting for someone for a lower income family to even consider paying it off.
and giving lower income families priority over the Middle and Upper classes isn't an anwser.

1) "I'd imagine many media students know the difference between "their" and "they're"."

you think i give a damn about spelling and grammar on a internet forum? i've been to a few media classes cause my friends take it. I don't call watching Xena (sp?) the warrior princess exactly challenging. ( i take maths physics and history in comparison) anyway who made you the grammar police?

2)"And suppose 50% of the population want to be educated to PhD level?"

When is that ever gonna happen!?!?

3)"I graduated with a Masters degree in aeronautical engineering and I cannot find a job"

after a little research its a rather competitive area to be be working in, to be fair

"my sister, a Doctor. Some of her Doctor friends cannot find jobs"

If you mean medicine, try contacting the NHS i hear they have a slight shortage.

Otherwise Universities are normally wanting Phd's due to the rarity of them

4) "More graduates doesn't mean more taxes, it means more over qualified people working in call centres."

Again there are definate areas where we are lacking graduates. and why not have an educated population and i hate to make this point but before 1997 there was still the same problem even before tutition fees were first intorduced. Tutition Fees do nothing major except impede the people who are least likely to take on a university course i.e. Lower Income Families.

why thats my reaction to all those comments

Aero engineering was never competitive. How many aeronautical engineers do you know? There are few jobs now because our manufacturing industry is getting worse. Did you not read about Airbus last week? How about the possible taxation policy on airlines?

I'm going to ignore the point about Doctors because you clearly have no idea what is happening in the NHS.

I studied A-Level physics at college. On the first day there were EIGHT people. By the end of the second year there were FOUR left. People do not want to study physics. In comparison, there were 90 English students.

Where are the definite areas where we need graduates? The biggest graduate employers such as Accenture and PriceWaterhouseCoopers take graduates with ANY degree.

Universities do not take on PhD students for the rarity of them. They take them for future research. Most breakthroughs in science and engineering occur at University PhD/Post-Doc level.

I agree that tuition fees only benefit well-off kids but the future system should run off "supply and demand".

melbury

lucien_roach wrote: »

because it once was, and it was one of the best things about this country (i think)

and plus this isn't everywhere else, this is Britain so why should we follow other peoples standards

go welfare state :beer:

That's all very well, but who is going to pay for far too many people to go and get degrees that will not necessarily get them into employment. It was OK for it be funded when only about 10% of people went to university, not 50% or whatever stupid figure it has now reached.

lucien_roach

ok you may be correct about aeronuatical enigneering i knwo jack all about it be i heard froma few site that competion was fierce for the few places availible

but there is a definate shortage of NHS doctors in this country
one quote from the front page of https://www.doctorsforreform.com

"There will still be a shortage of doctors in 2010"

i studied Physics at A-level ther are at least 16 people in our school currently studying it and 5/6 who will be studying it at uni(i'm after history, an utterly useless degree i'm told) but thats not the norm i know

meh PhD's are pretty rare and are used for research, yes? (since thats what i was told)

mitten_2

You will be able to get a hardship loan from the university once you have started. If you truly do not have the money and your bank statements back that up then i am sure they will help.
Good luck with it!

lucien_roach

mitten wrote: »

You will be able to get a hardship loan from the university once you have started. If you truly do not have the money and your bank statements back that up then i am sure they will help.
Good luck with it!

cheers

oh by the way if i look like i'm just picking a fight, sorry.