How much more in tax are YOU willing to pay to avoid immigration?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Time to take the thread back on topic....

Even if there is no further improvement in the real value of pension and welfare payments to the retired population, the decline in the UK worker/pensioner ratio from 2.3 national insurance contributors per pensioner in 1985 to 1.6 contributors per pensioner in 2025 implies that national insurance costs per worker will need to rise by as much as 50%.

Few believe that this sort of fiscal burden is politically sustainable.

People don't want immigration to rebalance the ratio of young workers to pensioners, but they're also not willing, or in most cases able, to pay the required increases in taxation for that to be that case.

Not to mention the wider economic disaster of a shrinking percentage of workers having to maintain the infrastructure of the nation.

So how much more are YOU willing to pay

CLAPTON

fortunately we have a lot of people unemployed who will then have jobs; we have alot of people who live on other benefits who are quite able to work and of course many pensionsers are very willing to work but can't find jobs

so all in all, we can look for to a better society with people who want to work able to find work and also a lot of lazy people currently on benefits discovering the dignity and self fullfillment in working too.

and of course we will find an additional benefit is reduction in crime as the young will be leading meaningful lives.

a total win win win situation


and finally rates of taxtion should then fall

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

CLAPTON wrote: »

fortunately we have a lot of people unemployed who will then have jobs; we have alot of people who live on other benefits who are quite able to work and of course many pensionsers are very willing to work but can't find jobs

so all in all, we can look for to a better society with people who want to work able to find work and also a lot of lazy people currently on benefits discovering the dignity and self fullfillment in working too.

and of course we will find an additional benefit is reduction in crime as the young will be leading meaningful lives.

a total win win win situation


and finally rates of taxtion should then fall

Could you explain how you think that will happen?

Just curious as the published research indicates the opposite.

StevieJ

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

People don't want immigration to rebalance the ratio of young workers to pensioners, but they're also not willing, or in most cases able, to pay the required increases in taxation for that to be that case.

I don't think they are too bothered about the Baltic and Central European immigrants because they blend in, it is the Muslim, African and soon to be Romanian and Bulgarians that people are worried about. It is racist but that is the way people are. I know some complain about the immigration from Polish and them taking jobs, but can you imagine if those same people had been a different colour?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

StevieJ wrote: »

It is racist but that is the way people are.

True.

Disgusting, but true.

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Could you explain how you think that will happen?

Just curious as the published research indicates the opposite.

most ot he published research doesn't taken into account how people adapt to changing circumstances; they sort of extrapolte existing trends and say how things will be without looking at the whole picture.

Obviously we need to reduce benefits for non workers, increase the cost of going to Uni to discourage the less able, stop the nonsense of raising the school age to 18 etc etc. so we release the energies of the young.
I barely know an 'old' person who wouldn't be prepared to do suitable work if the opportunity was there.

Of course if we got rid of all the non jobs that impose huge regulatory burden on business that would be a further benefit.

Wookster

chewmylegoff wrote: »

Here we go again eh chuckster. Attack attack attack, desperately try to make something up to have an argument with.

The forum was a much happier place without Mr Abrasive.

Wookster

How much more in tax are YOU willing to pay to avoid immigration?

This is an overly simplistic way to describe the impact of immigration in the UK.

For example, did Hamish stop to consider that when you import your working class your working class becomes the underclass.

wymondham

ILW wrote: »

Getting level of smoking back up would oddly helps solve many of the aging population problems.

Interesting point. We try to get the population more healthy but reducing smoking, better diet, excercise, seatbelts, drink drive campaigns etc, then can't afford the consequences of people then living longer!

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

CLAPTON wrote: »

most ot he published research doesn't taken into account how people adapt to changing circumstances; they sort of extrapolte existing trends and say how things will be without looking at the whole picture.

Obviously we need to reduce benefits for non workers, increase the cost of going to Uni to discourage the less able, stop the nonsense of raising the school age to 18 etc etc. so we release the energies of the young.
I barely know an 'old' person who wouldn't be prepared to do suitable work if the opportunity was there.

Of course if we got rid of all the non jobs that impose huge regulatory burden on business that would be a further benefit.

Sorry, perhaps the question wasn't clear enough.

Can you explain how having a ratio of fewer workers to pensioners, and presumably fewer people overall due to less immigration, will result in.....

- a lot of people unemployed who will then have jobs;

- people who want to work able to find work

-a lot of lazy people currently on benefits discovering the dignity and self fullfillment in working

- reduction in crime

- rates of taxtion should then fall

Again, the reason I ask is that all the published research (which doesn't just "extrapolate out") shows that in the event of lower immigration, reducing worker age population, and the dependency ratio increasing, then....

-Fewer people will have jobs AND unemployment will increase

-Taxes will have to rise significantly AND wages will fall

-The economy will shrink, ie, enter a long and destructive recession

- Our global competitiveness will reduce

- The crime rate per capita will almost certainly increase, as natives commit more crimes than immigrants.