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How much more in tax are YOU willing to pay to avoid immigration?
HAMISH_MCTAVISH
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Even if there is no further improvement in the real value of pension and welfare payments to the retired population, the decline in the UK worker/pensioner ratio from 2.3 national insurance contributors per pensioner in 1985 to 1.6 contributors per pensioner in 2025 implies that national insurance costs per worker will need to rise by as much as 50%.
Few believe that this sort of fiscal burden is politically sustainable.
People don't want immigration to rebalance the ratio of young workers to pensioners, but they're also not willing, or in most cases able, to pay the required increases in taxation for that to be that case.
Not to mention the wider economic disaster of a shrinking percentage of workers having to maintain the infrastructure of the nation.
So how much more are YOU willing to pay. (Graham, especially you)
“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”
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Emigration will become a problem if one of the highest taxed areas tried to tax more.0
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HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »People don't want immigration to rebalance the ratio of young workers to pensioners, but they're also not willing, or in most cases able, to pay the required increases in taxation for that to be that case.
Not to mention the wider economic disaster of a shrinking percentage of workers having to maintain the infrastructure of the nation.
So how much more are YOU willing to pay. (Graham, especially you)
Ok
Encourage more UK nationals to have more children.
Plus
Retire much later than we do now, something I have no problem with at all, after all we are living longer, YIPPEE!!0 -
homelessskilledworker wrote: »Ok
Encourage more UK nationals to have more children.
Fine with me.
We've had a baby boom since around the year 2000 anyway.
But it doesn't help in the short term, plus it's more expensive for the nation than immigrants are.Retire much later than we do now, something I have no problem with at all, after all we are living longer, YIPPEE!!
That's already happening.
I agree it will need to happen more quickly.
But there are limits....
I don't really want a 70 year old flying an airliner or driving buses/HGV's, and they're not really able to dig ditches or build houses.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »People don't want immigration to rebalance the ratio of young workers to pensioners, but they're also not willing, or in most cases able, to pay the required increases in taxation for that to be that case.
Not to mention the wider economic disaster of a shrinking percentage of workers having to maintain the infrastructure of the nation.
So how much more are YOU willing to pay. (Graham, especially you)
I'm discussing this point on the other thread. Why the need for a new one to get my attention?
Guess starting a new thread allows you to ignore the points already bought up on another though!
Everything is more with you.
More fairy money. More debt. More people.
Now it's more threads.0 -
Emigration will become a problem if one of the highest taxed areas tried to tax more.
True.
And of course, emigration (of the type of people who are able to emigrate) will worsen the imbalance as it's workers and the young who tend to leave.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Getting level of smoking back up would oddly helps solve many of the aging population problems.0
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Graham_Devon wrote: »I'm discussing this point on the other thread. Why the need for a new one to get my attention?
Guess starting a new thread allows you to ignore the points already bought up on another though!.
I've answered you there.
But this thread is specifically to ask how much more people are willing to pay to avoid immigration.
How much more are YOU willing to pay Graham?“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Getting level of smoking back up would oddly helps solve many of the aging population problems.
It would indeed.
As would mass euthanasia.
But neither of them are likely to be socially acceptable.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »True.
And of course, emigration (of the type of people who are able to emigrate) will worsen the imbalance as it's workers and the young who tend to leave.
I am thinking about people we know who have emmigrated and a good percentage have opted to leave for lifestyle reasons ( inc. finacial, but also, access to tings like cleaner water, more open vpuntryside). I think some similalrly minded people will be more inclined to emmigrate for the same reasons if immigration increases, even if tax drops.0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »
How much more are YOU willing to pay Graham?
Whatever is required.... the same as everyone else.
I really don't know what else to say?
You are hounding for an answer as you believe you can win the argument that way. There is no answer though, apart from picking random figures out of the air.0
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