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How much more in tax are YOU willing to pay to avoid immigration?
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HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Sorry, perhaps the question wasn't clear enough.
Can you explain how having a ratio of fewer workers to pensioners, and presumably fewer people overall due to less immigration, will result in.....
- a lot of people unemployed who will then have jobs;
- people who want to work able to find work
-a lot of lazy people currently on benefits discovering the dignity and self fullfillment in working
- reduction in crime
- rates of taxtion should then fall
Again, the reason I ask is that all the published research (which doesn't just "extrapolate out") shows that in the event of lower immigration, reducing worker age population, and the dependency ratio increasing, then....
-Fewer people will have jobs AND unemployment will increase
-Taxes will have to rise significantly AND wages will fall
-The economy will shrink, ie, enter a long and destructive recession
- Our global competitiveness will reduce
- The crime rate per capita will almost certainly increase, as natives commit more crimes than immigrants.
fewer people (i.e. the old ) will have jobs hence the demand for labour will increase as there are fewer people of working age.
in this insane report that results in HIGHER unemployment?
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Ironically I am quite interested in emigrating and perhaps paying less tax (tax isn't the main issue) but my Vietnamese (immigration) wife is very loyal to the UK and is very resistant to move abroad.
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fewer people (i.e. the old ) will have jobs
Yes.hence the demand for labour will increase as there are fewer people of working age.
No.
The demand for labour in most sectors will reduce as there are fewer people with as much money to spend as they do now.in this insane report that results in HIGHER unemployment?
Spending falls, recession starts, layoffs commence.madness
No, that's what happens to the few workers left, after their tax bill doubles to care for all the oldies.
We don't pay for our own healthcare and retirement.
We pay for the care and retirement of 2 generations above us.
That works well when there are 5 workers for every pensioner. It's a disaster when there are 2 pensioners for every worker.;)“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
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is it me or are quite a few of the active threads this weekend a bit, well, samey?FACT.0
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completely mad
you say that the more demand for goods and services : the more unemployment
you clearly have zero common sense and even less knowledge of basic economics.
and yet you also hold the view that the more people (i.e. immigrants) that create more demand for goods and service then they automatically generate more jobs and economic growth and reduce unemploymentEU tariff on agricultual product 12.2%
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you say that the more demand for goods and services : the more unemployment
Eh?
How is there more demand when most people are retired and spending virtually nothing?
That creates LESS demand.common sense
Is rarely either.and even less knowledge of basic economics.
Seriously?
You think a population dominated by pensioners spends more than a population full of working people?and yet you also hold the view that the more people (i.e. immigrants) that creaet more demand for goods and service then they automatically generate more jobs and economic growth and reduce unemployment
Well yes.
Obviously.
So long as those immigrants are of working age.
Consumer spending peaks when people are in their 40's and 50's.
It declines rapidly after that.
A nation of 80 year olds will have almost no consumer spending beyond bare essentials.
Surely thats easy enough to understand?“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
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HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Eh?
How is there more demand when most people are retired and spending virtually nothing?
That creates LESS demand.
Is rarely either.
Seriously?
You think a population dominated by pensioners spends more than a population full of working people?
Well yes.
Obviously.
So long as those immigrants are of working age.
Consumer spending peaks when people are in their 40's and 50's.
It declines rapidly after that.
A nation of 80 year olds will have almost no consumer spending beyond bare essentials.
Surely thats easy enough to understand?
your sole belief seems to be exponential population growth
each generation of young people must be larger than the previous (now old) generation
so 8, billion 100 billion , 500 billion, trillion
100 trillion etc etc where does it end?
no regard to food, raw materials, water, energy etc all you need is people and everything is OK
complete madness
try to go to some third world countries, huge numbers of young people and very very very poor.
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population growth
That has been the history of the human race for tens of thousands of years.
You can't just stop it now without dire economic consequences.
It will take decades to adjust in such a way that economies are not crucified in the process.
Until then, yes, some level of population growth must and will continue.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
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HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »That has been the history of the human race for tens of thousands of years.
You can't just stop it now without dire economic consequences.
It will take decades to adjust in such a way that economies are not crucified in the process.
Until then, yes, some level of population growth must and will continue.
indeed so
so you recognise no energy problems, no raw material problems , no water problems, no oil problems ?
and your sole concern is your own wealth and happiness even if your policies lead to disaster later?
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indeed so
so you recognise no energy problems, no raw material problems , no water problems, no oil problems ?
Not that can't be managed or adapted to within our lifetime, or the lifetime of our children.
Which buys us all enough time to make the changes gradually, without destroying economies and standards of living.and your sole concern is your own wealth and happiness even if your policies lead to disaster later?
not very nice.
Eh?
My concern is avoiding economic devastation that will negatively affect every one of us.
Why would you wish higher unemployment, recession, poverty and lower standards of living, just to avoid immigration?
That's not very nice.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0
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