Angry..do you see this as ok?

Lotus-eater

MeganKate wrote: »

You can tell whether they want to be there or not, but that is actually completely irrelevant and a different issue altogether

Completely different issue and I for one am getting a little fed up with hearing that as a reason for hating !!!!!!.

I btw only really use amateur !!!!!!, as I find the mainstream stuff with perfect women a bit boring and non real.

MeganKate

Lotus-eater wrote: »

Completely different issue and I for one am getting a little fed up with hearing that as a reason for hating !!!!!!.

I btw only really use amateur !!!!!!, as I find the mainstream stuff with perfect women a bit boring and non real.

I find the 'perfect women' and indeed the 'perfect men' seem to be looking at themselves and 'posing' I prefer to watch someone actually enjoying themselves

determined_new_ms

MeganKate wrote: »

Of course someone can masturbate without !!!!!!, but what if they WANT to masturbate using !!!!!!?

And I meant that he would use !!!!!! behind your back if you didnt 'allow' it, not that he would necessarily go to another woman, but either are a possibility.

A few years ago I would have wholeheartedy agreed with everything you say, because that was the bubble I lived in, in those days. However many years and experiences down the line I now see things VERY differently. I am sorry if the things I say are not what you want to hear, but that doesnt make them any less true.

megan kate ur not saying anything I don't want to hear, makes no odds to me. What I find objectionsl is u continue to propound ur opinion as if its truth, yes it is ur truth based on ur life experiences nd the people u have come into contact with. My opinion is also true. U r not more enlightened than me because because u watch !!!!!!. I could go around saying as u grow up nd experience life more u will become enlighted asi did. But that would be utter tosh! I am very happy that I have the kind of relationship where I can openly discuss my needs with my partner. Relationsip r like politics I fibd I givein some areas to get other things

janninew

MeganKate wrote: »

Why does it need to be such a taboo?? what is wrong with using !!!!!!??

They probably say they dont because of the crap they get from their partners!

It doesnt bother me that a partner uses !!!!!!, as I said I watch it too, you can learn some quite good tips! the people on the screen arent real and it doesnt mean that you want to actually have sex with them!

What kind of !!!!!! do you enjoy watching where people aren't 'real!' People in !!!!!! are very much 'real' people having very 'real' sex!

People in open relationships may say to you, what is wrong with sleeping with other people, just like you say what is wrong with using !!!!!!! Its all about the individual couple and their limits in their own relationship.

My husband uses !!!!!! occasionally, he doesn't hide the fact, but it isn't often and he says he finds most !!!!!! boring. I dislike how some people say using !!!!!! is very normal and men need to use it. What about men who don't use !!!!!! - are they abnormal?

Gingham_R

MeganKate wrote: »

You can tell whether they want to be there or not, but that is actually completely irrelevant and a different issue altogether

No, you may think you know and sometimes you'll be right. Sometimes you won't be.

And no, it's not a completely irrelevant and different issue altogether. You asked, 'Why does it need to be such a taboo?? what is wrong with using !!!!!!??' and I gave some examples of people's attitudes towards it, from those who have no objection to using it alone or in a couple to those who have objections either from a fidelity viewpoint or from a women's rights viewpoint.

Can you not accept that there is more to this than whether someone is controlling in a relationship?

Gingham_R

BugglyB wrote: »

I think a bit of realism is needed, in that I think a lot of men or women, when asked not to watch !!!!!! by their partner (or when it is 'mutually decided' that they won't :rotfl:)will say that they dont, and then do it anyway.

Like all things, sometimes people lie to each other. That is not exclusive to pornography.

Lotus-eater

janninew wrote: »

What kind of !!!!!! do you enjoy watching where people aren't 'real!' People in !!!!!! are very much 'real' people having very 'real' sex!

People in open relationships may say to you, what is wrong with sleeping with other people, just like you say what is wrong with using !!!!!!! Its all about the individual couple and their limits in their own relationship.

My husband uses !!!!!! occasionally, he doesn't hide the fact, but it isn't often and he says he finds most !!!!!! boring. I dislike how some people say using !!!!!! is very normal and men need to use it. What about men who don't use !!!!!! - are they abnormal?

People aren't real when they are acting, which makes it less than real.

Men who don't use !!!!!! and men that do are BOTH normal, however there are more normal men that would choose to use !!!!!!, rather than not. IMO of course.

Gingham_R

Lotus-eater wrote: »

People aren't real when they are acting, which makes it less than real.

This may sound like semantics, but I don't believe it is. People ARE real when they're acting and they are not acting when they are having sex. They are having sex. They may be acting that they are enjoying it but they are really having sex - we're not talking dry humping with a cushion in between them while they're moaning and pretending to get breathless!:D

determined_new_ms

Lotus-eater wrote: »

People aren't real when they are acting, which makes it less than real.

Men who don't use !!!!!! and men that do are BOTH normal, however there are more normal men that would choose to use !!!!!!, rather than not. IMO of course.

Its funny u saying that le, whatever we do in life we normalise nd often hang around with ppl who normalise nd agree with our world view. I used to take drugs, msjority of my friends took drugs so if u asked.me I would habe said most ppl take drugs. Now I don't nd realise most ppl don't

janninew

Lotus-eater wrote: »

People aren't real when they are acting, which makes it less than real.

Men who don't use !!!!!! and men that do are BOTH normal, however there are more normal men that would choose to use !!!!!!, rather than not. IMO of course.

But they aren't acting are they! They are really having sex, the man's penis is actually entering the ladies vagina!! :rotfl:

Acting is what happens in the Hollywood Blockbusters, not !!!!!! films!

What about the amateur !!!!!! that you admit to watching, aren't they 'real' couples having sex?