parkingeye letter

Half_way

One more thing welcome.to mse, hope its as useful and educating to you as it has been/ is to me.

lawabidingcitizen1

Thank you for your welcome. Which question in particular are you interested in?

ManxRed

If the PPC case is so compelling, why do they not pursue every ignored letter recipient, and only chance a handful now and then?

An additional question:

On odds of 100,000 - 1 against being taken to court by a PPC and losing, why would you consider your advice of 'pay it' to be a more sensible answer than 'ignore it'?

marleyboy

lawabidingcitizen1 wrote: »

May I ask, are you a lawyer?

No you may not, as you are neither qualified nor experienced in such matters, trolling threads like you have some sense of purpose when its quite clear to the rest of us, that you have nothing but a bout of sour grapes. Get over yourself!

OP be advised that your "fine" is little more than an invoice, as you did not sign up for it, it is an unenforceable invoice that can be safely ignored.

There are plenty of threads on here regarding these invoices, more than enough to satisfy yourself to the general outcome of disregarding them.

Try not to let the odd newbie, who goes to all the trouble of registering with this site for the sole purpose of posting a flawed post in some vain attempt of discouraging the facts with some personal vendetta.

pogofish

lawabidingcitizen1 wrote: »

It is interesting to see a direct contradiction of Martin Lewis advice on this site. May I ask, are you a lawyer?

More pertinently, are you just an ignorant little toad or a Parking Eye (or some other PPC) stooge?

marleyboy

lawabidingcitizen1

Firstly, I would dispute your odds. There are almost certainly likely to have been many more cases than either you or I have heard about.

Secondly, past performance no guide to future performace. The increase in industry regulation and changes in the law that have come about suggest that it will be even easier for the parking companies to win cases in future. It is likely that they will take more widespread legal action. If that does happen advice given on this forum is likely to have been proven misleading.

In answer to your additional question. Why fill in your self assestment tax return correctly every year. HMRC are asking you to volunteer the information and if you were to make a mistake that resulted in you paying less tax, then it is highly unlikely that anyone would ever know. There is a small chance that you will get a tax investigation and it may come to light. Your mistake will be identified and you will be asked to pay what is owing.

If you were to structure the odds on this one, you would probably find that your potential loss versus your potential gain is highly compelling and would suggest that you should in fact evade tax in this way every year. Why not do that then?

1. It is wrong.
2. It is illegal.
3. Who would want to go through the stress of a tax investigation knowing that they are guilty. Many sleepless nights there!
4. We all benefit from public services, just as we all benefit from car parks being available to the public. These need to be paid for and those that do not pay the correct amount are cheating their fellow citizens.

ManxRed

lawabidingcitizen1 wrote: »

Firstly, I would dispute your odds. There are almost certainly likely to have been many more cases than either you or I have heard about.

Secondly, past performance no guide to future performace. The increase in industry regulation and changes in the law that have come about suggest that it will be even easier for the parking companies to win cases in future. It is likely that they will take more widespread legal action. If that does happen advice given on this forum is likely to have been proven misleading.

In answer to your additional question. Why fill in your self assestment tax return correctly every year. HMRC are asking you to volunteer the information and if you were to make a mistake that resulted in you paying less tax, then it is highly unlikely that anyone would ever know. There is a small chance that you will get a tax investigation and it may come to light. Your mistake will be identified and you will be asked to pay what is owing.

If you were to structure the odds on this one, you would probably find that your potential loss versus your potential gain is highly compelling and would suggest that you should in fact evade tax in this way every year. Why not do that then?

1. It is wrong.
2. It is illegal.
2. Who would want to go through the stress of a tax investigation knowing that they are guilty. Many sleepless nights there!
3. We all benefit from public services, just as we all benefit from car parks being available to the public. These need to be paid for and those that do not pay the correct amount are cheating their fellow citizens.

Oh dear.

To answer your points in order:

1. Your first sentence is an assumption. We are quoting known and publicised cases. Believe me PPCs do not hesitate in blowing their own trumpets - even going so far as to pass off default wins as if they were victories. I doubt very much if there are many cases we do not get to hear about.

2. What are these recent changes in civil law? I am not aware of contract law being significantly changed in the last few centuries. Enlighten me. If you are referring to the Freedoms Bill then this is not enshrined in law yet, and when it does our advice may change. We chall see. Advising someone who has received a ticket prior to today on law that will not become applicable until the future is wrong. Surely you know that?

3. What on earth has tax evasion got to do with this? Tax evasion is illegal. These tickets fall under civil law and are not governed by legislation. Furthermore under contract law they are unenforceable.

4. No one on here advocates not paying legitimate charges levied by car park owners for providing a service. What we object to are legally unenforceable 'fines' imposed for breaching terms and conditions, and the misleading harassment that inevitably follows. If you want to discuss this sensibly then you need to get a better set of arguments than those you've used above!

pogofish

lawabidingcitizen1 wrote: »

Firstly, I would dispute your odds. There are almost certainly likely to have been many more cases than either you or I have heard about.

Secondly, past performance no guide to future performace. The increase in industry regulation and changes in the law that have come about suggest that it will be even easier for the parking companies to win cases in future. It is likely that they will take more widespread legal action. If that does happen advice given on this forum is likely to have been proven misleading.

In answer to your additional question. Why fill in your self assestment tax return correctly every year. HMRC are asking you to volunteer the information and if you were to make a mistake that resulted in you paying less tax, then it is highly unlikely that anyone would ever know. There is a small chance that you will get a tax investigation and it may come to light. Your mistake will be identified and you will be asked to pay what is owing.

If you were to structure the odds on this one, you would probably find that your potential loss versus your potential gain is highly compelling and would suggest that you should in fact evade tax in this way every year. Why not do that then?

1. It is wrong.
2. It is illegal.
3. Who would want to go through the stress of a tax investigation knowing that they are guilty. Many sleepless nights there!
4. We all benefit from public services, just as we all benefit from car parks being available to the public. These need to be paid for and those that do not pay the correct amount are cheating their fellow citizens.

You seem to completely miss the rather overwhelming point that PPCs are seldom if ever legit operations to begin with - which provides a multitude of further good reasons why they never risk upsetting their moneymaker by going near a court.

This is something entirely different to the scenario you have posted above, so please stop trying to legitimise the "industry" by associating it with legit bodies and practices.

Now come-on, which PPC are you holding a candle for?

AlexisV

Always amuses me when PPC trolls wheel out the 'right and wrong' argument, without a hint of irony.