9 points , a speed awareness course ..now a fine

Lum

Iris_Blue wrote: »

It's a new car, it shouldn't be out at all should it?

Yup, they're legally allowed to overread by up to 10%+6.25. They are not allowed to underread at all, not even slightly.

Trebor16

mgdavid wrote: »

Emotive judgemental nonsense that does no credit to the usual helpful people on MSE.
You don't know the road or conditions.
You don't know the driver.
You don't know the vehicle.
In fact you don't know anything about that paticular incident.

It's what we have come to expect from Fivetide:D

fivetide

mgdavid wrote: »

Emotive judgemental nonsense that does no credit to the usual helpful people on MSE.
You don't know the road or conditions.
You don't know the driver.
You don't know the vehicle.
In fact you don't know anything about that paticular incident.

We know the road varies between 50 and 60

We know the driver has had a number of points in the past for the same thing

We know that if we have limits then they need to be enforced. that isn't a stealth tax or theft that's simply the law. To say speeding is a victimless crime is wrong because no one plans to go out and crash or injure someone. Most people think that right up to the point it happens they are driving within the limits of themselves and their vehicles and taking account of road conditions so I stand by what I said.

Also, speedos can easily over read which is the point and thanks to lum for pointing that one out. A car clocked at 61 and over readign by 10% would be showing 67/68 on the speedo or "up near 70" as I said. That's a lot over when you know the limit is only 50 and something to be aware of. Even if the speedo wasn't over reading, it still seems that it would have been some way past the posted 50 mph limit.

I generally go by my gps when it is plugged in. Assuming it has all five satellites connected it is much more accurate than my speedo which is about 5mph off at higher speeds.

5t.

Trebor16

fivetide wrote: »

Also, speedos can easily over read which is the point and thanks to lum for pointing that one out. A car clocked at 61 and over readign by 10% would be showing 67/68 on the speedo or "up near 70" as I said.
5t.

This is as funny as when you tried to claim that two hundred pounds was "several hundred pounds":D Hilarious!!

Lum

fivetide wrote: »

We know that if we have limits then they need to be enforced. that isn't a stealth tax or theft that's simply the law. To say speeding is a victimless crime is wrong because no one plans to go out and crash or injure someone. Most people think that right up to the point it happens they are driving within the limits of themselves and their vehicles and taking account of road conditions so I stand by what I said.

It becomes a stealth tax as soon as the limits are made artificially low, such as the project in Oxfordshire, and surrounding areas, of changing all NSL single carriageways into 50 limits.

If you genuinely believe that exceeding the posted limit is automatically dangerous then this means that when the limit is lowered on a road you've been using for the last 10 years, you have been driving dangerously for the last 10 years.


And yes, the OPs speedo, at 60mph, could have been reading up to 73mph and remain legal, however since the speedo is never tested at MOT time, it could just as easily have been reading 54. Maybe this is why they have so many speeding tickets, you never know.

I do know that I used to own a 1987 Ford Escort that probably underread. In a test I drove at an indicated 27mph and a friend matched my speed in his 1990 Nissan Micra. His speedo read 36. One of our speedos was illegal, no idea which as it wasn't until several years later that satnavs became widely available. Given that the Escort speedo worked by having a cable attached to the gearbox, that would spin a magnet that caused a lump of metal to rotate clockwise while a spring pushed it anticlockwise, it was probably mine that was wrong.

blacksta

Harry_Flashman wrote: »

It'll be a fixed penalty - 3 points and £60 stolen from his wallet.

if it were always £60 - that would have been better than lives been stolen by reckless driving.

rdwarr

Harry_Flashman wrote: »

Yes, stolen. A victimless crime invented to line the government's coffers.

Same as drink driving is a victimless crime. Until you kill somebody.

Lum

blacksta wrote: »

if it were always £60 - that would have been better than lives been stolen by reckless driving.

Reckless driving is a completely separate offence. Very few cases of speeding count as reckless driving, and reckless driving can also happen below the speed limit. Driving at 60mph on a NSL single carriageway, through a village in thick fog is a good example of dangerous or reckless driving that's likely to result in someone getting killed.

One of the worst parts of camera enforcement is that the fast drivers who really are reckless or dangerous aren't witnessed by a copper and brought to justice anymore. Instead they get done for the much lesser offence of speeding.

sharpy2010

Harry_Flashman wrote: »

Yes, stolen. A victimless crime invented to line the government's coffers.

Try telling that to the family of someone who has been killed in a car crash by a speeder.

Idiot.

Lum

sharpy2010 wrote: »

Try telling that to the family of someone who has been killed in a car crash by a speeder.

Idiot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion