How to get out of paying TV license (yes, REALLY)

The_Safordian

Nilrem wrote: »

Things the BBC does wrong, well where do I start.
They pander to some vocal idiots far too much (the Taxpayers alliance, a misnamed group if ever I saw one)

Yes I object to organisations which highlight government waste to the British Public......................How did the communists deal with them?

Nilrem wrote: »

some religions, they are far to fast to apologise when anyone with half a brain can see that something said was a joke, they show some programs I despise (although to be fair with that, some people like them).

Well you can be sure the BBC wont say anything bad about a certain Middle Eastern religion.

Nilrem wrote: »

They don't show enough foreign language films, I used to like watching the odd stuff from other (non English) countries.

I agree they should rename it the International Broadcasting Company

Nilrem wrote: »

Was that the women who was in charge of a major construction project, who had to shuttle to and forth from London to Cardif on a regular basis, and on several of those days there was no train, or the train could have taken 10 hours?

So you are confirming the BBC employs people high up on large salaries who aren't intelligent enough to sort the travel schedule beforehand

Nilrem wrote: »

Also with regards to taxis, you think the BBC has permanent vehicles, and drivers available at any time of the day or night, in any part of the country?

The company I work for employ's 23k people and the directors at the HQ all have Company Jags, no drivers though. Thy tend to drive from location to location themselves when needed.

If I need to travel from HQ to another company location I get either petrol money or given a company vehicle so waste it minimal....................clearly the private sector doesn't want to waste millions but then the private sector can't send people to your door demanding they pay £145.50

You certainly have a lot of time on your hands to defend the BBC but why only the BBC........................................I'll leave that to others to decide

scottishperson2

If someone disagrees with your opinion, for whatever reason, it doesn't mean they work for the bloody company.

That argument, which appears on here often, should have been left behind in the primary school playground.

JabezClegg

I stopped paying for a TV licence a few years back and the BBC have never left me alone. No other company would be allowed to send thugs round to you're house demanding to be let in to search.

When i shop i have the choice of where i will spend my money with the TV licence i have no choice.
If they scrap the licence fee i may sign up for SKY or Virgin but as it stands i am not allowed to buy their services unless i give money to the BBC.

People these days want choice and that is one thing the BBC and their fans do not want the people of this country to have.

The BBC have and will always waste money as they have billions to spend each year forced from the public with the threat of a £1000 fine and a visit from thug salesmen pretending to have power.

Dreamnine

I threw my tv into a skip a number of years ago now.

I told the TV licence people that I no longer owned a tv but I still get hassle from them.

Best thing would be for the TV licence to be abolished in my view - let those who care about the BBC subsidise it if they want to.

The_Safordian

scottishperson2 wrote: »

If someone disagrees with your opinion, for whatever reason, it doesn't mean they work for the bloody company.

That argument, which appears on here often, should have been left behind in the primary school playground.

I never said it did however this person has already admitted to being one of the BBC clique at DS.

Now are you saying its normal for Joe Public to be spending 24/7 defending the BBC no matter now?

Are you saying its normal to keep giving pitch like responses and pushing opinions as fact ????

We know the BBC employ 3rd parties to monitor the internet and seek out discontent even though they claim in a FOI that isn't the case, the reality is something else,

http://www.fishburn-hedges.co.uk/work/case-studies/tv-licensing-online-community-manager?area=43

Starbrite

Simplest way......

Do what I do don't have a TV and if you do want to see something use the internet or time going round a friends at right time hehehehehe:D

The_Safordian

Starbrite wrote: »

Simplest way......

Do what I do don't have a TV and if you do want to see something use the internet or time going round a friends at right time hehehehehe:D

Why should we though. I use my TV's for gaming, streaming and watching catchup from time to time. Now you tell me !!!!!! that has to do with the BBC

Nilrem

The_Safordian wrote: »

I never said it did however this person has already admitted to being one of the BBC clique at DS.

Now are you saying its normal for Joe Public to be spending 24/7 defending the BBC no matter now?

Are you saying its normal to keep giving pitch like responses and pushing opinions as fact ????

We know the BBC employ 3rd parties to monitor the internet and seek out discontent even though they claim in a FOI that isn't the case, the reality is something else,

http://www.fishburn-hedges.co.uk/work/case-studies/tv-licensing-online-community-manager?area=43

Your paranoia is showing.

Where did I mention anything about DS?
Who says anything about anyone spending 24/7 looking for BBC threads?
Hint I am currently registered on about 10 forums I regularly post on* of which half are not even based in the UK, 6 are fairly limited scope such as computers/games, and the other 4 are general interest.
I post on things that either get my interest, amuse me, or where something irritates me enough to post a comment (often correcting a very skewed "fact").
It just happens that I got wound up by a TVLR poster once and started looking at their posts rather than ignoring them, and started to laugh at some of the distortions, so now they're of mild interest to me (especially when they are repeating Daily Mail reports, which are already of interest to me as I used to play "guess which parts of the article are true" and "spot the careful use of language to get an emotional response"**).

IIRC The BBC, like many, many companies and organizations do have PR/CS people working online to assist in queries on some sites (and I suspect moderate comments on any pages they run where the public can post replies - something that is legally speaking a necessity***).
I'd never heard of the company you're talking about until the first time someone accused me of working for them on a forum, from memory the reason for that was, I'd had the temerity to point out that it wasn't unreasonable for a company attending a major trade show, to have a hotel room in the same building, or at least the same street (and also suggesting that when there is a major trade event, hiring a house for the duration may be the only way to get accommodation and meeting space).
Before that occasion the only time I ever used to comment in TVL threads was to correct people when they said you needed a license for any ownership of a TV (something the TVLR are usually quick to point out themselves). Something I had learned following an email I sent to TVL about 10 years ago to settle an argument that was disrupting a thread about something else on another forum, and got a polite response from the TVL (oh no, I've admitted to entering into correspondence with the TVL, and them being polite to me, I must work for them!).
In case you're interested, that email was sent in relation to the requirement (or not) of a TVL if your graphics card had a TV tuner (Ati All in Wonders) from memory.

So I guess you could say I keep an eye open for TVL threads, but mainly because sometimes they are interesting, and sometimes I get the urge to correct some of the more blatantly funny misrepresentations that are made (I've got an interest in how all sorts of things are made/produced, everything from cars to TV/film and books so unlike a lot of TVLR people, I seem to have some idea of what's involved in making TV and films, albeit largely from watching "behind the scenes", listening to commentaries, and reading comments or books by the people invlved).

Just the same way I keep an eye open for cases about courts etc, as another of my bug bears if the way that people never seem to know the difference between a Judges mandatory comment on the minimum sentence to be served, and the Judges recommendation (and the way the papers always take the minimum and say "just" or "only", when they want outrage at the sentence being too short, or "a massive" or "huge" an quote the legal maximum when they want the reader to think a sentence is too long).



*Over the years I've probably registered for 50+ forums relating to things like games I've been playing, computer issues I've had, DIY projects, books I'm reading/authors I like, non TV entertainment etc.

**Something I started doing on an off in School, as it was handy for English (IE "grandmother" to describe a 40yo when the DM want to make someone sympathetic, and just "40 year old" when they don't).

***No publisher, or broadcaster wants to risk a court case for libel where they are the defendant's publisher because they've not removed a libelous comment (or even just dealing with spam ad bots).

The_Safordian

Nilrem wrote: »

Your paranoia is showing.

I post on things that either get my interest, amuse me, or where something irritates me enough to post a comment (often correcting a very skewed "fact").

And posting about the BBC TV Licence is more important to you than all the other media including the free ones

Nilrem wrote: »

It just happens that I got wound up by a TVLR poster

See you are clearly one of the BBC clique posters at DS as that remark proves

Nilrem wrote: »

once and started looking at their posts rather than ignoring them, and started to laugh at some of the distortions,

It's all truth and can be backed up unlike your opinions put across as fact

Nilrem wrote: »

IIRC The BBC, like many, many companies and organizations do have PR/CS people working online to assist in queries on some sites (and I suspect moderate comments on any pages they run where the public can post replies - something that is legally speaking a necessity***).

No its not necessary and they claim it doesn't go on in the FOI but Fishburn Hedges and Capita admit to doing it for TV Licensing of which the BBC is in charge.

Nilrem wrote: »

I'd never heard of the company you're talking about until the first time someone accused me of working for them on a forum

Yes it would have been digitalspy like I've just said. Anyone daring to criticise the BBC in the broadcasting section there gets the same 6 people attacking them.

Nilrem wrote: »

Before that occasion the only time I ever used to comment in TVL threads was to correct people when they said you needed a license for any ownership of a TV (something the TVLR are usually quick to point out themselves).

You don't need a license for a TV or a licence even.

Nilrem wrote: »

Something I had learned following an email I sent to TVL about 10 years ago to settle an argument that was disrupting a thread about something else on another forum, and got a polite response from the TVL (oh no, I've admitted to entering into correspondence with the TVL, and them being polite to me, I must work for them!).

No I'm guessing its the amount of time you spend defending the BBC as you have admitted doing there and now here.........doh

Nilrem wrote: »

In case you're interested, that email was sent in relation to the requirement (or not) of a TVL if your graphics card had a TV tuner (Ati All in Wonders) from memory.

If a Computer has a TV Tuner then a BBC TV Licence is needed, that comes from them and what their goons check for when searching our houses

Nilrem wrote: »

unlike a lot of TVLR people

No they've got people who have taken the BBC to court and won, one of which was dismissed when the Judge found a clip TV Licensing downloaded from the person they had prosecuted had been tampered with.................an image of a TV show had been added to the TV. Now they couldn't prove who'd tampered with it but they themselves downloaded it, the one on youtube though had no image on........................thats the type of people you ar defending.

Nilrem wrote: »

Just the same way I keep an eye open for cases about courts etc

Me to like the guy who had a search warrant issued on him and he didn't even have a TV. Now this for me shows the BBC are committing perjury in order to obtain these search warrants too

Nilrem wrote: »

, as another of my bug bears if the way that people never seem to know the difference between a Judges mandatory comment on the minimum sentence to be served, and the Judges recommendation (and the way the papers always take the minimum and say "just" or "only", when they want outrage at the sentence being too short, or "a massive" or "huge" an quote the legal maximum when they want the reader to think a sentence is too long).

Judges are rarely involved, its usually Magistrates who know less about the law.

Nilrem wrote: »

**Something I started doing on an off in School, as it was handy for English (IE "grandmother" to describe a 40yo when the DM want to make someone sympathetic, and just "40 year old" when they don't).

You keep rabbiting on about the DM which is another sign of the Pro BBC side, I'm betting you hate everything related to murdoch too. Mind you unlike the BBC he doesn't have to force people to buy his products.

Nilrem

I don't rabbit on about the DM because i'm pro BBC, I go on about it as it's the paper that tends to be quoted the most for disinformation about a whole host of subjects (such as the Judges sentencing, I didn't say that was in relation to the TVL, that was Your assumption, the Mail always spins sentences for everything).

I didn't originally come across a TVL poster on DS (infact I joined DS about 3 years before I ever went into the broadcasting forum there), IIRC it was on a computer forum (remember me saying I contacted the TVL people about the requirements for a license, and them responding politely).
BTW when I contacted the TVL the response was

Response_March_2003 wrote:

Dear Mr ******,

Thank you for contacting TV Licensing.

If your television equipment cannot receive or record television programmes, it does not need to be covered by a television licence. You must ensure that it is not connected to an aerial, cable or satellite, and does not receive a signal when it is switched on.

To enable me to update our records, please inform me of your name and full address.
Thank you for your assistance in this matter.

And before you claim that is proof I'm a TVL "goon", I archive all my emails, part of my normal backup process*, so I can find almost any email I've sent, or received in the past 10 years regardless of my ISP (BTW I responded with my name/address, and didn't hear anything from them at that address for quite a while).

As for the BBC committing perjury, IIRC TVL "inspectors" are not direct BBC employees, and they are acting against their own rules (as well as the law), but somehow a handful of cases (where the person usually got the sack) are taken to mean that everyone does it.
I know people who proudly lie about not needing a TV license, but don't make the immediate assumption that everyone who says they don't need one is lying (although I do find it at little hypocritical that some people are more than happy to use the Iplayer a lot, but still not have a license as they say "there isn't enough on to warrant it", but they are sticking to the letter of the law, if not the spirit).
I don't take the actions of a very small number of people to represent the entire company, if I did I would never shop at Tesco, Morrisons, Amazon, I would never touch most of the energy companies with a barge pole, and would still have wooden paned, single glazed windows on the house.

Anyway, I've wasted enough time on posts here for now, I've oddly enough got better things to do with my time than defend myself against the laughable accusations that I'm in some way employed by the BBC (I'm fairly sure that if you actually look at my posts on here, you'll find I tend to post on technical stuff, or the sort of "bug bears" i've mentioned previously).


P.S.
For your information the only connection I have with the BBC is that I watch some BBC TV, and the direct debit that comes out of my bank.
I don't work in broadcasting, nor for Capita, nor am I paid in any way, shape or form for any posts I make on any forum (sometimes I wish I was, when I played MMORPG's I had tens of thousands of posts).


*Years of experience with computers and the way hard drives die at annoying times means I tend to be fairly good at backups (and as I order a lot of stuff online, the emails are useful for RMA's etc).