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baza52

Wonderful100 wrote: »

As someone has already said you simply can't leave your job of your own accord and claim benefits, they suspend any entitlement for 26 weeks and you will then be living off fresh air.

They CAN stop you from claiming JSA but you can still claim hardship payments.
The OP will not be left with no money. blame the system

welshone27

baza52 wrote: »

They CAN stop you from claiming JSA but you can still claim hardship payments.
The OP will not be left with no money. blame the system

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but you seem very for the OP claiming. Many users have come up with ideas yet you seem to be all for the quit and claim route. Surely this should be a last resort?

You may be trying to be helpful it's just it's coming across as the OP needs to give up before she's tried.

As I said above, I may be wrong. But that's the impression I'm getting.

If she wouldn't be able to claim JSA for 26 weeks, would the hardship payment make her better off than she is currently working for the 16 hours? Would it make more sense to ride it out and try and increase her hours/find a second job.

baza52

Im against people having a go at the OP
People that work seem to think jobs are waiting for those that want to work.

The OP HAS a job and cant get anymore hours. suggesting they become cleaners/bar staff is just a joke.

Do people deem these jobs as ones nobody would do unless desperate? they must because they all think these jobs are crying out for workers.
Why not suggest cleaning toilets or sweeping roads., must be loads of them jobs going.

To then suggest they sell on ebay taking all week to knit 1 item and claim self employment is even worse.

It all comes out of the same pocket.

Some good advice was given about other benefits increasing to make up the shortfall but most posts were from people on their high horse telling the OP jobs were easy to come by if you bothered looking.

john539

Wave a wand, here are 8 hours by magic.

Or you can live on air & water.

john539

A_Flock_Of_Sheep wrote: »

Think of some self employed things you could do from home for eight hours a week?

Take in washing
Take in ironing
Offer to clean someone's house
Crochet small things to sell on eBay
Deliver catalogues
Usborne books
Baking cakes
Can you teach something? Piano? Baking?
Taking elderly people somewhere in your car and charging? Might have insurance implications?
Running errands for an elderly person fetching their shopping?
Grow veg and sell it at your gate?
Grow plants and sell them at your gate?

There must be lots of things self employed to plug eight hours?

Classic !

FBaby

If OP can't find more hours and he chooses to go to college over getting any job then they just have to accept they will have to live with the absolute minimum. They will still get benefits it will just be tighter. The bottom line its that you can't have your cake and eat it.

STOCKWIRE

kmt123jh wrote: »

i live in a valley in south wales there are no cleaning /ironing jobs or even bar jobs for that matter im asking for help off people not people arguing making out that we are to lazy to find a further 8 hours to help us still keep my job, my partner as done is best an so have i, ive asked for advice on what to do not for people to critisize what we are doing wrong we know that we need to find 8 hours weather its me or my partner but there are no 8 hour or more jobs that we can apply for. we dont live in a city or town we live in a valley which employment is very low much lower than cities an towns.

Strange, As I also live in South Wales and know for a fact that nursing homes and private care companies are crying out for staff. But because of the unsocial hours and as "caring" is regarded as menial the people who are prepared to do it are earning plenty of overtime. Most of the valleys have great public transport linking them to the larger towns and cities were there are plenty of job opportunities both part and full time. It's about time the welsh got over the closure of the coal mines and realise that they have to travel to find employment as it is no longer on their doorstep.

BigAunty

A_Flock_Of_Sheep wrote: »

Currently self employed people getting working tax credit can count the hidden non earning part towards their hours such as their administration,travel time, meetings. So will all those things have to be charged at minimum wage? You will be charging yourself minimum wage for doing your letters book keeping travelling etc etc. Cameron madness at its best that is.

I am astonished that a government that is allegedly trying to get people to work is prohibiting self employment thought this course. Yet Tory governments have always been for business and self starters.

UC is a bit more complex than just treating the self -employed as if they earn at least the NMW but it's certainly something that they want them to aspire to, according to the UC proposal paper.

There's nothing entreprenurial and Tory in spirit about letting people 'run' a 'business' for with either no or low profit, trousering state benefits for an indefinate period of time!

We've seen posts on this forum from the 'self-employed' who run such dismal enterprises, you'd hope the HMRC would put them out of their misery, to be honest. Some people aren't cut out for TRUE self employment, have no REAL business skills and it's a shame that tax credits (and the housing benefit and council tax discounts they often enjoy) have cushioned them from this reality.

Bad self employment where a household is still heavily dependents on benefits way after the initial set up of the business should not be considered a valid alternative to JSA.

STOCKWIRE

A_Flock_Of_Sheep wrote: »

Currently self employed people getting working tax credit can count the hidden non earning part towards their hours such as their administration,travel time, meetings. So will all those things have to be charged at minimum wage? You will be charging yourself minimum wage for doing your letters book keeping travelling etc etc. Cameron madness at its best that is.

I am astonished that a government that is allegedly trying to get people to work is prohibiting self employment thought this course. Yet Tory governments have always been for business and self starters.

Why is it madness ?. What is madness is that someone can sit at home watching Jeremy Kyle and the like, sell a few items on ebay and claim to be self employed. A business employing staff has to pay them to do the "hidden non earning work" . This in turn becomes part of the overheads and is included in the costs when setting selling prices. If a self employed person is receiving benefits from the government to cover this cost that is giving them in theory an unfair subsidy and thus jeopardises the viability of the legitimate company and its employees.

Sixer

The rules for what can be reported as "remunerative work" for self-employed people haven't changed. They are not going to change. Self-employed people aren't required to earn NMW. This isn't going to change.

People can earn under NMW through self-employment and still claim tax credits. This isn't going to change.

HMRC have been investigating people who raise a number of risk flags. So if you say one little Avon round gives rise to 30+ hours of remunerative work and this is your only income, questions will be asked and earning the equivalent of NMW may be used as one indicator among several that your claim is fraudulent.

But if you're employed for a good number of hours and you also do an Avon round which you say takes you 6 hours a week, then you are unlikely to be investigated. Why? Because a) the Avon round isn't your only income and b) common sense tells you it probably takes about 6 hours a week.