Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

vinnyph

Quentin wrote: »

None of the above makes any attempt to justify your claim (lie) that the uw energy tariffs are cheaper than any of the other suppliers even before the uw discounts (earned by taking more services) are applied.



When uw reps come here and make this type of ridiculous claim, is it any wonder MSE insist they do it only in this one thread?

I originally stated that 'My usage means that even without the UWDC discounts my dual fuel price with UWDC usually ends up being the cheapest out of all companies even with their discounts.' You simply misquote me in order to try to win a point in an argument by making something up. You made up your UW beating cashback card to try and win an argument because you were convinced yourself there was one, when in fact there wasn't.

Currently there have been a few price adjustments with the companies, a few months ago my bill for UW energy was the cheapest at the time. Currently it is £862.25, about £18 more than the current cheapest websaver 5. I stated usually the cheapest for me not always the cheapest for everyone. However on energyhelpline websaver 4 introduced a few months ago comes up at £902, that is more than I pay. How long before customers taking websaver 5 have their discount reduced when websaver 6 is introduced. This has happened with click 1, click 2, click 3, click 4, click 5, click 6, websaver 1, websaver 2, websaver 3, websaver 4. So over the next year this would indicate that websaver 5 will likely end up being more than what I currently pay when websaver 6 is introduced. Energyhelpline indicates that BG click 1 customers currently pay £1015 for same usage. My discounts with UWDC continue.

Once my UWDC discounts are applied I get everything including Broadcall for £591.92. If I swapped to websaver 5 I would loose the CDP discount on the energy part of my bill, and also the free calls 24/7. These discounts I get are worth hundreds of pounds more than £18. You suggest I move elsewhere then?

More likely that you don't like to be put right because it really shows you up when you again make a false claim. UW for my usage is currently hundreds cheaper than I could get elsewhere.

I would like to see you put your money where your mouth is. How much are you actually paying yourself in total Quentin. Before you open your mouth, please, this time take your foot out of it first.

Can you please also read exactly what I have written, instead of falsely accusing me based on something I haven't actually said.

Long Term UWDC Customer who became a Distributor because it proved to be good and other people liked it as well.

Quentin

vinnyph wrote: »

I originally stated that 'My usage means that even without the UWDC discounts my dual fuel price with UWDC usually ends up being the cheapest out of all companies even with their discounts.' You simply misquote me

Can you please also read exactly what I have written

Not only did I read your post, I quoted it, using exactly the same words you again quote:

vinnyph wrote:

My usage means that even without the UWDC discounts my dual fuel price with UWDC usually ends up being the cheapest out of all companies even with their discounts.

Perhaps you can point out how I have misquoted you!

Just more nonsense - your claim is unbelievable, and your explanation of the lie just ridiculous.

UW energy tariffs are amongst the most expensive - we can all see your attempt to portray them here as the cheapest irrespective of the convoluted discount system (which only applies to gullibles who sign up for extra services over and above energy from the uw) is an outright lie.

vinnyph

Cardew wrote: »

You have been taking too many lessons from the Troll.

I have said no such thing!

What I have consistently stated is that UW have just about the most expensive gas and electricity in UK. The average customer will pay £hundreds more

That is without doubt an accurate statement. Check with any comparison website.

These are two things you have recently said in the same post.

'You don't have to have the brains of an Archbishop to Google about cashback cards to find one that enables you to get vouchers for 5% off in Sainsbury's and 7%? in Waitrose. However I have no idea, and no interest!'

'I for instance have a house bigger than my needs, I drive a big car that gives very poor mpg, I use banks that are not the cheapest to operate, Insurances that are not the cheapest, sent my kids to fee paying schools. etc etc.'

Forgive me if I am wrong but whichever way I look at it, it doesn't seem to be the words from a Money Saver. I presume you didn't actually mean it that way going by the number of times you have given advise to people on where they should go with their utilities.

You pay a lot more than me for your utilities. In fact it's over 3 times as much going on what you told us the other day. It looks like you could do with some help to economise. Looks like you are struggling at the moment. I offer my services to help you.

Long Term UWDC Customer who became a Distributor because it proved to be good and other people liked it as well.

vinnyph

Quentin wrote: »

None of the above makes any attempt to justify your claim (lie) that the uw energy tariffs are cheaper than any of the other suppliers even before the uw discounts (earned by taking more services) are applied.



When uw reps come here and make this type of ridiculous claim, is it any wonder MSE insist they do it only in this one thread?

It isn't spam, it's just downright deliberately misleading advertising, in short - lying.

I'll quote what you stated to me again. You don't read things enough Quentin. You infer that I am saying something else there. You really should read what I write, and also it seems what you write as well.

It's your false claim that UWDC are one of the most expensive that is not accurate. There are cases where UWDC is very good. There are cases where it is actually cheaper than elsewhere. It shows that your general statement is false.

It's your usual tactic to change the context of what someone is saying in order to try to distract from what they are actually saying. It's a cheap trick. I just wish you could learn to economise instead.

I pay £591 a year for my total bill with UWDC including discounts. How much do you actually pay yourself?

Quentin

vinnyph wrote: »

You pay a lot more than me for your utilities.

As shown above, you are quite happy to come onto this thread in your role as a rep for uw and lie to us about them supplying you the cheapest energy, when we all are fully aware the truth of the matter (that uw energy is amongst the most expensive).

The uw must be delighted it can distance itself from anything you say if the ASA ever contact them about a complaint of false and misleading advertising by their rep vinny!

vinnyph

Quentin wrote: »

As shown above, you are quite happy to come onto this thread in your role as a rep for uw and lie to us about them supplying you the cheapest energy, when we all are fully aware the truth of the matter (that uw energy is amongst the most expensive).

The uw must be delighted it can distance itself from anything you say if the ASA ever contact them about a complaint of false and misleading advertising by their rep vinny!

So prove where I have made a mistake then Quentin. My energy with UWDC come out in position 4 on Energyhelpline (position 3 without membership fee) out of 75 different tariffs just £18 more than the cheapest. You are making things up again Quentin and not for the first time. It's your usually tactic to distract and mislead. What I have quoted is accurate and proves you to be wrong when you say UW is amongst the most expensive, that is the reason you don't like it. It's the reason you are getting upset. It's just that it disproves your false argument against UWDC.

Having a strange dislike for UWDC, their customer and distributors is one thing. I just wish you wouldn't keep making things up in order to try the discredit them.

Your only advise you give is that UWDC is not a company to go with. You make up stories and portray it to be something that it is isn't to try to justify your claim. You also make things up like your UW beating cashback card. You also make up stories about distributors or try to change the context of what they are actually saying to try to discredit them.

It only comes back on you Quentin, every time.

Whichever way you look at it I end up paying £591 for my total bill.

Long Term UWDC Customer who became a Distributor because it proved to be good and other people liked it as well.

Quentin

vinnyph wrote: »

So prove where I have made a mistake then Quentin. My energy with UWDC come out in position 4 on Energyhelpline (position 3 without membership fee) out of 75 different companies just £18 less than the cheapest.

You hoped to get away with claiming that uw are supplying you with the cheapest energy.

That was a lie.

I have quoted what you said, (which you accused me of misquoting you)!

This is what you proudly boasted:

vinnyph wrote:

My usage means that even without the UWDC discounts my dual fuel price with UWDC usually ends up being the cheapest out of all companies even with their discounts.

Your company must be concerned that you mislead in their name, knowing how strict we are told they are with rogue reps who do mislead to get gullibles to sign up.

Anyway, this is getting like a boring tennis match. You can have the last word over this issue. Readers will make their own minds up on whether or not you have attempted to mislead us!

vinnyph

Quentin wrote: »

You hoped to get away with claiming that uw are supplying you with the cheapest energy.

That was a lie.

I have quoted what you said, (which you accused me of misquoting you)!

This is what you proudly boasted:



Your company must be concerned that you mislead in their name, knowing how strict we are told they are with rogue reps who do mislead to get gullibles to sign up.

Trying it on again Quentin. I will quote exactly what I originally wrote again. I have already answered it anyway but because you are desperate at the moment to win a point you will keep trying it on until someone tells you to shut up as what usually happens.

'My usage means that even without the UWDC discounts my dual fuel price with UWDC usually ends up being the cheapest out of all companies even with their discounts.'

I didn't say it was always the cheapest for me, I said usually. Currently it is £18 more than the cheapest without discounts. A few months ago it came out cheapest and has been many time in the past. From 2001 until 2005 it was the cheapest every month. You see because I have been a customer for 8 years and a Distributor for a number I have the benefit of following how much I have been paying because I regularly check. However add the UWDC discounts worth hundreds of pounds a year and I end up paying £591 a year in total. Not much incentive to move really to save £18 and loose hundreds.

Another one of your desperate attempts to distract by trying to discredit. Not the first time either. Whenever something positive is mentioned about UW, Quentin has to try to undermine it. You really are trying desperately at the moment to win arguments you lost a long time ago. It just shows how strange your dislike for UWDC, Distributors and their customer has become. You resort to changing what people are saying.

Long Term UWDC Customer who became a Distributor because it proved to be good and other people liked it as well.

vinnyph

Anyway there's no point in me being on the defensive with Quentin when I am clearly in the right. Quentin, instead of distracting, lets find out who you are with and what cashback card you are currently using and how much you are actually paying. You do enough unjustified attacking. You can trust me that I will only attempt justified attacks on your own spend. Now you can't say fairer than that can you.

Long Term UWDC Customer who became a Distributor because it proved to be good and other people liked it as well.

vinnyph

Quentin's kangaroo court with a wallaby thrown in for good measure.

I just wonder how you still have the cheek to keep coming on this thread after so many times putting forward misleading and false claims and then try to attack someone repeatedly based on you changing what they are saying. You are a discredit to yourself Quentin and your kind. There is only one of you. It always comes back on you.