Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

vinnyph

kippen_noedel wrote: »

Do you need a HORSE and an A55 for double grazing or will two sheep suffice ?


on your other ridiculous points, eg:- what on earth use is comparing your consumption with any other persons when you have no clue as to the size/type of property ??



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I just read your comeback about how people earn income. what a fool I was for defending you.

You found the deliberate mistake there, well done. You get the brownie point that Plushchris missed out on. You see, I was checking if people read my posts. It seems some people do value what I say to read the entire post. I can't get better validation of my efforts than that really, thank you.

The point was not comparing my bill to someone else's but reducing his usage because it does seem to be excessively high and also possibly changing to Economy 7 storage heaters like me. Then again I have a low carbon footprint house, not everyone is willing to sacrifice a little in order to get lower bills.

I would have thought you would have been interested with the huge energy bills you get every year across your properties. In fact if you could find ways of reducing the usage in the houses by making them more efficient you could maybe afford to charge your tenants less. Surprised you didn't ask me how earlier. Any self respecting property mogul would be interested in not wasting money regardless of which company they are with. I say this not as a criticism but merely sensible point. I find landlords who have some properties where they themselves are responsible for the energy bill find their tenants leave everything on all the time because the landlord will end up paying for it.

Proud UWDC Distributor and long term customer.

kippen_noedel

vinnyph wrote: »

1. I would have thought you would have been interested with the huge energy bills you get every year across your properties.

2. In fact if you could find ways of reducing the usage in the houses by making them more efficient you could maybe afford to charge your tenants less.

3. Surprised you didn't ask me how earlier.

4. Any self respecting property mogul would be interested in not wasting money regardless of which company they are with. I say this not as a criticism but merely sensible point.

5. I find landlords who have some properties where they themselves are responsible for the energy bill find their tenants leave everything on all the time because the landlord will end up paying for it.

Once again you make a reply that has no merit or relevance whatsoever and you could've saved yourself the embarrassment of making such silly suggestions by having read what I actually said, not what you imagine I said.

1. Tenants pay their own bills, their usage is their concern.

2. The arrogance with which you make this assumption is astounding. You know neither the thermal insulation values or what rentals I charge.

3. You're surprised I haven't asked you, don;t make me laugh, under no circumstances would I ask for or follow any advice from you. Hell, you can't even read and quote relevant to what has been written in reply to your own posts.

4. I have a reasonable portfolio but am certainly nowhere near being a mogul.

5. If you had read what I have written in reply to your own and a couple of others post, you would know that this is also irrelevant. However from experience gained by my participation in another forum for landlords, your companies name UW has a recurring theme. Salespeople from UW continue to try and get landlords to force tenants to sign over their utilities and UW will give them a cut of tenants expenditure on bills. You wonder why I have a negative view of your companies modus operandi, well that says it all.

vinnyph

kippen_noedel wrote: »

Once again you make a reply that has no merit or relevance whatsoever and you could've saved yourself the embarrassment of making such silly suggestions by having read what I actually said, not what you imagine I said.

1. Tenants pay their own bills, their usage is their concern.

2. The arrogance with which you make this assumption is astounding. You know neither the thermal insulation values or what rentals I charge.

3. You're surprised I haven't asked you, don;t make me laugh, under no circumstances would I ask for or follow any advice from you. Hell, you can't even read and quote relevant to what has been written in reply to your own posts.

4. I have a reasonable portfolio but am certainly nowhere near being a mogul.

5. If you had read what I have written in reply to your own and a couple of others post, you would know that this is also irrelevant. However from experience gained by my participation in another forum for landlords, your companies name UW has a recurring theme. Salespeople from UW continue to try and get landlords to force tenants to sign over their utilities and UW will give them a cut of tenants expenditure on bills. You wonder why I have a negative view of your companies modus operandi, well that says it all.

It seems you throw harsh criticism upon others. It seems you also label others to be either this sort of person or that. For what it's worth I don't have a single landlord as a customer simply because the tenants will be short term customers and cause too many problems for UWDC. I look for private householders. I have never seen it to be worthwhile in the long term to approach tenants or landlords and in any case I do not put any pressure upon anyone, I don't need to, people seem to like UWDC. I leave it up to them as to who they wish to go with. I try to the best of my ability to get things right. I spend my time being constructive and to do good. I don't do that to just try to take the moral high ground either. I do it because I genuinely believe others deserve respect. I treat others how I wish to be treated myself. I believe the best way I can help is to show others how to act. Because I try and get thing right I guess is the reason I get customers and continue to.

However, it seems from what you write you have a dim view of salespeople in general to the point that you will label them as this or that. For you to criticise others and label them in such a way it must mean you feel you have the upper hand and are better than them. It seems to me you have to sell the virtues of your properties to prospective tenants. If you are to criticise others then you should realise that you have to sell things as well. You sell a service and need to persuade a tenant to pay for it. If you have no tenants you won't be able to pay the bank the mortgage. You are a salesperson yourself. Now if I may add, I have not criticised anyone for who am I to criticise someone else. I have merely pointed out that you are criticising UWDC Distributors and labelling them to be either this or that. You will find that the long term successful ones have got success by merely hard work and getting recommendations from satisfied customers. It's the other companies that get by with expensive advertising and sales reps who are under lots of pressure to meet quotas.

Something that I have observed is that people label others merely because they see material things to be of importance. Some people take prestige in having a nice car because they believe it reflects on them as a person. A measure of their success. People will look down on others simply because they have less. I don't think I have the right to look down upon others. Who gave me the authority to do that. People have told me that I humble myself to much in front of others and that I should present myself to be higher in front of others especially in today world. It's a dog eat dog world out there. I think I simply treat people with respect and I see fit not to judge. There is a saying, judge others as you wish to be judged yourself for by the measure that you judge others you too will be judged.

Now is the harsh tone of your words due to me being a UWDC Distributor because you see me as a salesperson and label me that way. Now going through the list of ways that I aim to serve others and serve god to the best of ability in order that I may help others do the same is there any way you see I can better my path to act in accordance with what god has taught us. I cannot see what I am doing is wrong. God has the moral high ground, I am just a man. I believe Christ to be the Word of God and that in him is a better way. I am always open to suggestion as to acting in a better way but have come to accept Christ as merely knowing better. So if there is some way in which you feel you know better then I would listen. I have not actually suggested you move to UWDC. Neither have I criticised you or placed judgement on you. However, when it comes to usage we all know that we need to use less energy since we have only limited resources in this world. I feel I owe it to others and our children to try to ensure we don't use all the resources up. I don't take the moral high ground with others I merely state the reality of our situation. It seems you feel its your right to use as much as you like and who is anyone to tell you otherwise. Do you see me as a bad person for suggesting to find ways of using less energy and in the process saving money as well. Lets face it we live in a world of excess and one day that will stop. Where exactly has it got us?

There are currently nearly 6.7 billion people in the world. Soon within the next decades there will likely be 10 billion people in the world, already 1.2 billion live in poverty with no guaranteed water supply, millions die as a direct result. Will you explain to them why this issue should be of no importance to them?

We may not be able to solve everyone else's problems overnight but surely we can start by ensuring we do what is right. For the first time in world history we have the resources in order to correct many things and change our environment for the better. We need to. However we do everything we can to do the opposite.

We can increase our technology to compensate, and reduce the World population. That is still finite. At today's usage rates we will still use up the world's resources. America has the worst record, I notice they already are trying to get to Mars and the Moon in order to use those resources as well. Live long and prosper.

I would not worry me if you were a property mogul or lived in a hole. As long as you do good that is all that counts.

Cardew

The stupidity of your suggestion to get rid of Gas CH and get Storage heating sums up your contributions to this thread.

If you suggest that to your clients, and they accept your advice, then Quentin's phrase - 'gullibles' - is totally appropriate.

I asked a question - please answer:


The cheapest tariff for my consumption available today is £1,578. UW would charge £2,199. That is £621 extra or 39.35% more expensive.

Do you agree?

Quentin

Cardew wrote: »

The cheapest tariff for my consumption available today is £1,578. UW would charge £2,199. That is £621 extra or 39.35% more expensive.

Were you discussing this with your uw rep friend/b-i-l etc, this would easily be brushed away.

You wouldn't expect someone who is your friend/relative to deceive you, so you would believe it when you were told that the site(s) you used to get those figures were corrupt as they took payments from other energy companies to make them seem cheaper than the uw.

And this rep would have a print out from uw showing your post code, and that you would actually save around £800 if you signed up to them!

They broadcast how they do it in this training audio:

http://www.teamcalls.co.uk/

(This particular one is dated 18/10/09)

kippen_noedel

vinnyph wrote: »

However, it seems from what you write you have a dim view of salespeople in general.

You are becoming ever more ridiculous.
either read what I have said and if you don;t understand what I mean, ask. Do not invent your own version. Very quickly and suddenly you are reaching the point where what you say will be ignored.

I already couldn't be bothered reading the other paragraphs of your meanderings and that is disappointing given the time and effort you put in to defending your employer and yourself.

1carminestocky

Cardew wrote: »

The stupidity of your suggestion to get rid of Gas CH and get Storage heating sums up your contributions to this thread.

If you suggest that to your clients, and they accept your advice, then Quentin's phrase - 'gullibles' - is totally appropriate.

I asked a question - please answer:


The cheapest tariff for my consumption available today is £1,578. UW would charge £2,199. That is £621 extra or 39.35% more expensive.

Do you agree?

Even this extreme example demonstrates that UW can be the cheapest deal for just about anyone who is prepared to embrace the various discounts etc made available with the company.

I'll explain:

If I lived in the Midlands with Rupert's really excessively high consumption, signed up to the 4 services and followed exactly the same retail spending pattern as I currently do on the cashback card, the net cost for the next 12 months taking into account the nearest comparable BB deal from UW, would be £1859.

If I signed up to the cheapest gas/electric deal and adopted Rupert's BT phone/BB deal (not even including international option which costs £58/yr extra) my net cost for all 4 services for the next 12 months would be £2017.

You see, even when comparing apples with oranges (in the case of the cheapest online only deal and UWs monthly paper bills deal), if the punter is interested in adopting the discounts available UW can still be a great option. Plus you have all the other advantages that many of the massive companies can't offer.

Discuss/rant away...:D

Cardew

1carminestocky wrote: »

Even this extreme example demonstrates that UW can be the cheapest deal for just about anyone who is prepared to embrace the various discounts etc made available with the company.

I'll explain:

If I lived in the Midlands with Rupert's really excessively high consumption, signed up to the 4 services and followed exactly the same retail spending pattern as I currently do on the cashback card, the net cost for the next 12 months taking into account the nearest comparable BB deal from UW, would be £1859.

If I signed up to the cheapest gas/electric deal and adopted Rupert's BT phone/BB deal (not even including international option which costs £58/yr extra) my net cost for all 4 services for the next 12 months would be £2017.

You see, even when comparing apples with oranges (in the case of the cheapest online only deal and UWs monthly paper bills deal), if the punter is interested in adopting the discounts available UW can still be a great option. Plus you have all the other advantages that many of the massive companies can't offer.

Discuss/rant away...:D

You really should become a UW saleman - you have exactly the right degree of deception in your statements.

I assume that your "retail spending pattern" involves spending £9,000 pa in the shops that accept the UW card. so getting £450 off your spend.

To reach a UW figure of £1859 I assume that you have included the 'one off' £100 discount for new customers only(you are a UW customer so wouldn't get that discount) So presumably £2199 less £450 = £1749 less £100 = £1,649 that leaves £210 for Broadcall? making £1859.

So is that how you reached that figure? If not please explain how £1859 is reached?

OK. Give or take the odd pound or two, would this be roughly the ballpark figures for a more sensible solution?

£1578 for cheap gas and electricity(instead of the £2199 that UW charge)

£240 for UW Broadcall. (incl monthly membership)

£80 for Skype calls anywhere in the world(40 countries)*

Total £1898 less £450 for your spending = £1448 instead if the £1859(or £1959)that your great UW package would cost.

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As I understand it your basic Broadcall allows you to receive calls for free!

Skype has 3 packages, £3 monthly for unlimited UK calls, £4 monthly for Europe and UK, £7.80 monthly World/UK/Europe.

You can get cheaper packages for phonecalls I am sure, but whenever sensible schemes are put forward, you always bring into the equation the inflated added value of inclusive phone calls obtained by 4 UW services.. In reality phone calls are not expensive.

So what sleight of hand have I missed?

Maggie_F

This thread doesn't really answer my questions about UW. It seems to be a place for four or five regulars to get annoyed with each other's point of view. I simply want the truth - is UW an elaborate "pyramid selling" type of business, or does it really offer a genuine alternative? A friend once asked me to ring a UW number which I duly did, and got a recorded message telling me how I could be earning money by someone else putting the kettle on etc "every time they switch on a light, you get paid" type stuff. I didn't really like the message, and since then have been very wary of UW. But I still want to know whether I should switch my gas and electricity from SWALEC to someone else - the comparison websites don't inspire confidence...

kippen_noedel

so let me get this right if I swap to UW for my gas & electricity

credit £3243 every month to my new UW discount card and spend it all every month at shops approved by UW

I will actually be better off than doing things the way I do now ?