Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

Cardew

Maggie_F wrote: »

This thread doesn't really answer my questions about UW. It seems to be a place for four or five regulars to get annoyed with each other's point of view. I simply want the truth - is UW an elaborate "pyramid selling" type of business, or does it really offer a genuine alternative? A friend once asked me to ring a UW number which I duly did, and got a recorded message telling me how I could be earning money by someone else putting the kettle on etc "every time they switch on a light, you get paid" type stuff. I didn't really like the message, and since then have been very wary of UW. But I still want to know whether I should switch my gas and electricity from SWALEC to someone else - the comparison websites don't inspire confidence...

As one of the regulars involved in this thread, anything I say can will be pounced upon by those UW salesmen who frequent this thread and want to disrupt any rational discusion about UW.

However I will try an answer some points.

Pyramid selling is illegal. However the UW commission structure of the various levels of salesmen is much like a pyramid(but I stress not illegal)

If you go to this link:

http://www.businessopportunityplus.co.uk/business-opportunity.html

Click ebook in the bottom left and it has a diagram of the pyramid. An Executive Director(a salesman earning commission) has several Senior Executives(a more junior salesman) working for him.(excuse the gender bias)

The Senior Executive has several Qualified excutives(even more junior salesmen) working for him. Finally each of these qualified executives have customers. The customers themselves can earn money by referals.

So you have each of those levels of salesmen earning a portion of commission as long as the customer remains with UW.

There are systems of incentives and penalties for targets within the pyramid structure.

One of the many exciting things about the Telecom plus compensation plan is the
enormous promotion bonuses. These are given to you for achieving a certain status
level and getting promoted. These payments are made on top of everything else
you earn along the way.
STATUS ACHIEVED BONUS PAYABLE
Senior Executive within 6 months of joining £250
Executive Director within 12 months of joining £500
Group Director within 18 months of joining £2,000
Marketing Director within 24 months of joining £5,000
Senior Marketing Director within 36 months of joining £10,000
National Marketing Director within 48 months of joining £20,000

About the UW product:

Their gas and electricity is very very expensive. £hundreds more(around 30%) for the average customer.

Their Broadband/phone package is competitive, but not the cheapest.

The mobile service is expensive.

The jewel in their crown is a cashcard. You purchase a card, put money up front , and by shopping at certain stores you can get 5% discount applied to your bill.(the main store is Sainsburys but there is a list of others Boots, Argos etc)

That in a nutshell is UW.

Whilst not immediately apparent, the main 'figures man' in this thread, spends £9,000 a year on his card and uses that discount to present a distorted picture for the un-initiated of UW savings.


If you have specific questions please ask. Try not to make them 'general questions'.

vinnyph

kippen_noedel wrote: »

rotflmao, as opposed to your version, truly hilarious.
religion is a belief system, not one of science or reason.
In fact Christianity has as much chance of being right as Ron L Hubbard or David Icke

The essential difference is I know I am probably right. You know you are absolutely right. That is probably the root of your arrogance and your pride, so arrogant and so proud you don;t even realise. At least I know my faults.

In what way is Christianity unscientific? You haven't even thought it through. You make statements you don't even know anything about let alone understand. Are you now trying to con me that you are suddenly a philosopher and not just a philistine as everything you say seems to imply. How many other things are you suddenly an expert on apart from collecting rent.

You simply speak what you want to hear. If you know your faults why do you persist with false statements.

You believe you stand for reason but don't even know why. Reason that.

How can you be so sure there is no god. You have no proof. You don't even have the intelligence to work it out for yourself. Is it blind faith. Your arguments are flawed. Yet you call Christianity unscientific. You certainly aren't a scientist yet expect others to agree with you.

You follow your humanist doctrine simply because you think it makes you look good, nothing more. It's not that you want to actually do something to help, it's just pride and ego. It's your joker you throw up when you are in a tight spot.

If your doctrine you state actually meant something to you rather than a defence if you notice someone else doing something then you would understand that using less energy would help everyone. If you could be actually bothered to help someone else you would do something about it. The fact you straight away laugh at someone trying to do something proves that you just think of your self. You are too busy trying to make yourself look good in front of others. Humanist, don't make me laugh. You wear you religion on your shirt. You just want people to believe in what you have to say. I don't expect people to follow me. I am not just trying to look good. We need to use less energy else it will run out and the world will not be a good place. It's simply that I understand empathy, something your humanist doctrine has sadly not taught you. Love thy neighbour as yourself as is said.

kippen_noedel

Cardew wrote: »

Whilst not immediately apparent, the main 'figures man' in this thread, spends £9,000 a year on his card and uses that discount to present a distorted picture for the un-initiated of UW savings.

Does that £9000 include the 2% fee for topping up the card. ??

Cardew

kippen_noedel wrote: »

Does that £9000 include the 2% fee for topping up the card. ??

That is only if you top up from a credit card. I suspect most would use a debit card.

The £10 cost of the card and topping up fee are not significant. Unless you top up immediately before you use the card, you will not lose a lot in interest. Carespress thinks it is 4.8% overall, I suspect that it will be less for others.

Any odds on him refusing to answer my questions?? About time for French and Saunders to come back.

1carminestocky

Cardew wrote: »

A. Once again you have totally avoided the questions.

If your figures are 'rock solid' then let us have them e.g.

1. UW gas and electricity £2199,

2. Broadcall £?????

3. Discounts £???? (how they are achieved)

B. What is wrong with my figures in reaching £1448 by taking cheap electricity from another company(and avoiding the £621 extra UW charge) UW Broadcall and Skype.

C. Whenever you have lost an argument,( as you clearly have done here) we go off into an attack on my cards(of which I have said nothing), my financial acumen, etc.

Just answer A and B.

It is a racing certainty you won't answer!

So now you are suggesting I use Skype 24/7 instead of a landline?? What exactly are you imbibing at the moment? Talking of avoiding the question, pray tell me if this is such an amazing idea, err, why don't YOU do it? If you were now paying the cheapest gas and electric and you add in your BT phone line/BB/calls package (even accounting for the alleged £5/mth discount you get for threatening to quit then accepting ANOTHER 18 water-tight contract) will be paying £1957. This is the figure you will be paying from April 2010 assuming things stay as they are. Surely (for once) you will practice what you preach and go for the deal you have highlighted?

kippen_noedel

vinnyph wrote: »

IHow can you be so sure there is no god. You have no proof.
You certainly aren't a scientist yet expect others to agree with you.

Once again you didn't read what I said, I never offered proof, for the same reason you can't offer proof.

kippen_noedel wrote: »

The essential difference is I know I am probably right. You know you are absolutely right. That is probably the root of your arrogance and your pride, so arrogant and so proud you don;t even realise. At least I know my faults.

I'm not now a scientist, you are at least correct on that point, but I was before I retired. I still read, I still tinker, very occasionally part of a collaborative effort, mostly to answer questions I was never able to answer fully while employed.

1carminestocky

kippen_noedel wrote: »

Does that £9000 include the 2% fee for topping up the card. ??

LOL. You puzzle me, KN. You make out you're a savvy businessman then make stupid errors like this (plus forgetting how long you have been registered on this forum). Suspicious indeed.

1carminestocky

Cardew wrote: »

As one of the regulars involved in this thread, anything I say can will be pounced upon by those UW salesmen who frequent this thread and want to disrupt any rational discusion about UW.

However I will try an answer some poiints

Pyramid selling is illegal. However the UW commission structure of the various levels of salesmen is much like a pyramid(but I stress not illegal)

If you go to this link:

http://www.businessopportunityplus.co.uk/business-opportunity.html

Click ebook in the bottom left and it has a diagram of the pyramid. An Executive Director(a salesman earning commission) has several Senior Executives(a more junior salesman) working for him.(excuse the gender bias)

The Senior Executive has several Qualified excutives(even more junior salesmen) working for him. Finally each of these qualified executives have customers. The customers themselves can earn money by referals.

So you have each of those levels of salesmen earning a portion of commission as long as the customer remains with UW.

There are systems of incentives and penalties for targets within the pyramid structure.


About the UW product:

Their gas and electricity is very very expensive. £hundreds more(around 30%) for the average customer.

Their Broadband/phone package is competitive, but not the cheapest.

The mobile service is expensive.

The jewel in their crown is a cashcard. You purchase a card, put money up front , and by shopping at certain stores you can get 5% discount applied to your bill.(the main store is Sainsburys but there is a list of others Boots, Argos etc)

That in a nutshell is UW.

Whilst not immediately apparent, the main 'figures man' in this thread, spends £9,000 a year on his card and uses that discount to present a distorted picture for the un-initiated of UW savings.


If you have specific questions please ask. Try not to make them 'general questions'.

Remind the readers again, Einstein, what cashback card do you use? :rolleyes:

I always make it entirely clear in my calculations how I use the cashback card to make UW the cheapest deal for me. You clearly don't like the fact that, with use of this card i am paying less for my gas and electric with UW than i would be paying if I was on your 4 year old fixed tariff that you are so proud of. Live with it or join in. What's so scary about using a cashback card? Or more to the point....what's so scary about admitting you don't use one? Loss of credibility on here? You have none left to lose so that can't be it. Embarrassment? You seem as vulnerable to embarrassment as Edwina Currie so that can't be it either. any ideas?

vinnyph

Cardew wrote: »

As one of the regulars involved in this thread, anything I say can will be pounced upon by those UW salesmen who frequent this thread and want to disrupt any rational discusion about UW.

However I will try an answer some points.

Pyramid selling is illegal. However the UW commission structure of the various levels of salesmen is much like a pyramid(but I stress not illegal)

If you go to this link:

http://www.businessopportunityplus.co.uk/business-opportunity.html

Click ebook in the bottom left and it has a diagram of the pyramid. An Executive Director(a salesman earning commission) has several Senior Executives(a more junior salesman) working for him.(excuse the gender bias)

The Senior Executive has several Qualified excutives(even more junior salesmen) working for him. Finally each of these qualified executives have customers. The customers themselves can earn money by referals.

So you have each of those levels of salesmen earning a portion of commission as long as the customer remains with UW.

There are systems of incentives and penalties for targets within the pyramid structure.

About the UW product:

Their gas and electricity is very very expensive. £hundreds more(around 30%) for the average customer.

Their Broadband/phone package is competitive, but not the cheapest.

The mobile service is expensive.

The jewel in their crown is a cashcard. You purchase a card, put money up front , and by shopping at certain stores you can get 5% discount applied to your bill.(the main store is Sainsburys but there is a list of others Boots, Argos etc)

That in a nutshell is UW.

Whilst not immediately apparent, the main 'figures man' in this thread, spends £9,000 a year on his card and uses that discount to present a distorted picture for the un-initiated of UW savings.


If you have specific questions please ask. Try not to make them 'general questions'.

British gas is Cardew's current company of choice. At least until his current discount finishes. Mine doesn't.

However it has a pyramid structure. It has people who join at the bottom of the company hoping to get up higher.

The people at the bottom of the company earn a lot less than the people who are at the very top. There are all sorts of incentives and bonuses for people at the bottom in order to fool them into thinking they can get into one of the top positions but people rarely do. It matters more who they know. It has all the signs of a pyramid. The manager have supervisors below them, and multiple levels of directors above them. The directors at the top are earning an absolute fortune running into millions off the efforts of the people at the bottom. It's the customer who ends up paying for all that and the many adverts they put out and millions in commissions to the online energy swapping marketing companies. In a nutshell it is a pyramid.

Look at any large company and you will see the same thing.

Where UWDC is different from this is that at least I can get to the top simply by hard work and not because of someone you know.

Still I pay a lot less than Cardew does, yet he claims to be good at saving money.

Proud UWDC Distributor and long term customer.

kippen_noedel

1carminestocky wrote: »

LOL. You puzzle me, KN. You make out you're a savvy businessman then make stupid errors like this (plus forgetting how long you have been registered on this forum). Suspicious indeed.

It was intended to be what it was.I already estimated £175pw you must put on the card to achieve your 4.8%. Just making sure you hadn't put the decimal point in the wrong place.

How can anyone forget how long they have been a member, it's right in front of every post ? but hey, anything to divert the discussion away from excessive energy prices.