Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

vinnyph

There are situations where UW comes out in top position on the price comparison sites. As I have shown already. Take annual rates for economy 7 rate 9000KWh night time, 1000KWh day time, gas 2000KWh in midlands region 14 plus others. There are other situations as well where UW come out on top. I know someone who has these usage figures.

Jimixbox chooses a particular situations where UW doesn't come out particularly well based just on energy yet he won't even give annual usage figures. He then uses this as if it is the case in all situations

I have stated before that the commission paid on-line energy swapping sites deals do not include the UW discounts by taking the package of services in their comparison. They will incorrectly put a low electricity, high gas UW customer onto a standard tariff also because it will be combined (UW base the energy usage on the last 3 years usage when choosing what is best for the customer, but the customer can always change these if they believe their usage to have changed). Can they be used as an accurate assessment if they don't include all the discounts that UW provide.

Even in the situation that Jimixbox chooses, the combination of taking the package of services including gas, electricity, broadcall giving free calls to 0845,0870,01/02/03 + 10 global countries giving £100 off a year, £6000 cashback card usage giving £283 off, first year of £100 rebate will still reduce the total bill paid down far below the level paid elsewhere. Then in addition there is the customer discount plan and member discounts. It is the end bill that someone pays. UWDC is a discount club after all, to not include all the discounts would not be a fair comparison.

When it is also included that the online deals get replaced with a new deal and their discount reduces over time. It's difficult to make an overall statement because there are 100's of different tariffs out there it's overly confusing.

What I suggest is that it's up to the person themselves.

If they like to make it simply and have everything on one bill with multi award winning UK based service and get access to all the discounts through UW then that is best and cheapest for them overall.

If someone wants to keep swapping between different companies in a confusing marketplace of 100's of different tariff's that vary every few months as to who gives the best rate on the price comparison sites and get replaced with a new deal then that's up to them.

It's not my decision to make. They have free will.

When I consider that overall I get the cheapest based on my usage with UW then it would be silly for me to swap away.

UW customer, distributor. part time poet.

1carminestocky

Perelandra wrote: »

There's also an interesting nugget some pages back, although I have no way of verifying it of course.

For the average customer, the free calls (for taking the whole package from UW, I think) is worth about £10 per month.

So if you're an 'average' customer, it seems to me that you're really facing two choices, for cost-minimising:

Telephone/Broadband + cashback card

vs

Telephone/Broadband + Gas & Elec + cashback card incl. £120 a year free calls


If if you can get your gas and elec from someone else, and save more than £120 a year purely on the tariff difference, then it's better to go with option 1. If the saving you can make taking utilities from elsewhere is less than £120, then the UW option is better.

Think that's right...

(£120 would need to change, of course, depending on where your telephone calls stand relative to the 'average'. From what I've read, Carmine's telephone saving would be a lot more than average, which would certainly explain why the UW option is the best for him).

The new £100 annual discont promotion sort of puts this argument to bed at the moment IMO, certainly for most users. Let's face it, knowing UW as you do, if you get your UW charges to broadly match the best available elsewhere...would you still be tempted to move? I know what my answer would be - UWs service is IME light years ahead of the service normally received from the Big 6. Without a shadow of a doubt.

Cardew

keggs wrote: »

Where do you think those millions of customers are going to come from Cardew Steve
UW Distrinbutor & Very Happy Customer

I thought I was on ignore!

Perelandra

1carminestocky wrote: »

The new £100 annual discont promotion sort of puts this argument to bed at the moment IMO, certainly for most users.

Hrm.

Okay, so if you can make savings greater than £220 from another supplier- although that amount would need to be adjusted upwards or downwards depending on your phone useage. [Edit] reducing to £120 after the first year.

1carminestocky wrote: »

Let's face it, knowing UW as you do, if you get your UW charges to broadly match the best available elsewhere...would you still be tempted to move? I know what my answer would be - UWs service is IME light years ahead of the service normally received from the Big 6. Without a shadow of a doubt.

It's certainly different.

1carminestocky

Perelandra wrote: »

Hrm.

Okay, so if you can make savings greater than £220 from another supplier- although that amount would need to be adjusted upwards or downwards depending on your phone useage.



It's certainly different.

I forgot where you worked. Apologies.

AvengerSeawolf

Quentin wrote: »

Something amiss here.

If everyone just did 50 at "first", then they would have a lot more "members" than declared.

In fact (assuming all reps are members themselves) the average looks to be 9 members a rep!

ie Their friends and relatives in the main who trust what they have been told.

Maybe this is why they are putting so much effort into getting more reps on board with the new bonuses announced for getting more to join up as reps. It's the way to "expand" - each new rep has his "warm" list of friends and relations to pester till they join. (Or cynically use their friendship to ask for help over a problem at work when really they intend to sign them up for multiple services, because that's what the top reps do:

http://www.networkerplus.co.uk/videos/practice-appointment-shannon-griffin.html

Yawn...still trying to discredit the business model Quentin? You're boring now...I've explained previously, for many people who start in Network Marketing they need help and guidance in getting started, so we suggest they go to their friends and family first. In actual fact you would be surprised at how many friends and relatives don't sign up immediately - don't forget because they know us personally they can often be comfortable telling you exactly what they think and can actually be quite negative about something that they at first don't understand (sound familiar?). Needless to say, the proof is in pudding and once you can show them that you are making great savings (your own bill) then many of them do come on board and give their support. As far as our compensation plan goes, 50 is a significant figure, I thought you would already know that...?

So what if the average is only 9 as you suggest - this is a p/t business opportunity just goes to prove that you don't have to go out and gather loads of customers to be successful. Gather a few and find some people who want to do the same, and so on and so forth - over time you build a good business and income. Put like that, it sounds quite attractive doesn't it - want to give it a go again? As you know, the company has improved the incentives on offer...your 'average customer per ID' comment puts the business opportunity in a positive light, sio I actually thank you!#

Proud ID

Cardew

sabretoothtigger wrote: »

Do which magazine recommend this company, why would they do that if its such a bad price or a con even.
Maybe they are bad at some utilities and good on others

For gas and Electricity Which have a reader's survey - they can vote for a company.

With 25,000 UW salesmen plus families all with a vested interest, it is not surprising UW come out top.

The even come top on value despite their gas and electricity prices being just about the highest in UK.

Like any 'survey' where vested interests have a chance to vote, the results are meaningless.

Some years ago Arthur Scargill, at the height of his unpopularity over the miner's strikes was voted BBC 'Man of the Year'.

AvengerSeawolf

Cardew wrote: »

For gas and Electricity Which have a reader's survey - they can vote for a company.

With 25,000 UW salesmen plus families all with a vested interest, it is not surprising UW come out top.

The even come top on value despite their gas and electricity prices being just about the highest in UK.

Like any 'survey' where vested interests have a chance to vote, the results are meaningless.

Some years ago Arthur Scargill, at the height of his unpopularity over the miner's strikes was voted BBC 'Man of the Year'.

Sounds like paranoia to me - any more conspiracy theories up your sleeve? Who do we trust then or are they all worthless?

AvengerSeawolf

Cardew wrote: »

With 25,000 UW salesmen plus families all with a vested interest, it is not surprising UW come out top.

So, despite UW having less than 1% of the market, most of the readers of Which? Magazine have some relationship with UW?

Quentin

AvengerSeawolf wrote: »

As far as our compensation plan goes, 50 is a significant figure, I thought you would already know that...?

So what if the average is only 9 as you suggest - this is a p/t business opportunity just goes to prove that you don't have to go out and gather loads of customers to be successful.

Do you disagree that 9 is the average? (uw claim 30,000 reps and 300,000 members)

My post regarding 9 customers was in reply to your colleague who answered a query asking how many customers a rep needed to get his utilities free.

The answer given was 50!

As you see, 50 is pretty ambitious if 9 is the norm!

But uw don't care - it's a numbers game for them. Every new rep = 9 new members, presumably drawn from his long suffering friends and relations! And uw don't care how you go and get them, or what underhand methods you use.

As demonstrated in the training video encouraging you to ask for a "practice" withg a friend, when you are really just after them signing up. Fine way to use your friends. (Other businesses rely on getting customers, not friends who don't expect to be used in this way)

http://www.networkerplus.co.uk/videos/practice-appointment-shannon-griffin.html