Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

Cardew

Maz wrote: »

Cardew, out of interest, what do you do for a living?

In the context of this thread:

It doesn't matter what I do for a living.

What gas, electricity or telecoms company I use.(although it is no secret!)

What cashcard(if any) I use

What cars I drive.

etc etc.

This thread is nothing to do with personal information about myself, it should be about money saving and UW gas and electricity - and those are mutually exclusive.

I have one main aim on this thread.

To counter the self-promoting propaganda by those with a vested interest in UW.

Unless people take this stand, the relentless spam on MSE will continue and many readers will be fooled by the blatent mis-information designed to mask the fact that UW's gas and electricity prices are extremely high.

To achieve this I have pointed out to people, and intend to continue to do so, that UW have just about the highest gas and electricity prices in UK and that can be confirmed by going to any of the comparison websites that Martin recommends.

Quentin points out the videos that show the techniques UW salesmen use to fool the public.

keggs

What's the problem Cardew with answering Maz's question? As far as I could tell he was making conversation. It's not at all an unusual question to ask.

I notice your response was once more an essay on how bad UW is.

Maz is right. You don't really have the right to tell others here what they should or shouldn't do with regard to whom they get their utilities from when your only experience of the utility warehouse is information gleaned from dubious internet comparison sites and deliberate misinformation and twisted information supplied by an equally dubious individual.

Not just that you dismiss anything that customers of the UW (who are not IDs) say as being totally worthless yet you say these things from a standpoint of never actually having been a customer of the UW and experienced what we all have experienced and now Carmine is experiencing. That to my mind is a completeley false and hypocritical standpoint to take.

Steve
UW Distributor & Very Happy Customer

vinnyph

It seems that some people don't like salespeople on here.

If we didn't have sales we would have no society. Nothing would be sold. There would be no buyers. There would be no-one to buy products so there wouldn't be any products and so there would be no manufacturers. There would therefore be no jobs in manufacturing. There would be no need for accountants since there would be no need for money as no products are sold. There would be no economy or marketplace. There would be no tax to collect. There would be no houses to buy, no clothes to buy and so modern society would not be possible without sales. We would have to make things ourselves. There would be no technology. There would be no medicine. Society would break down. There would be no society. We would be living in shacks or mud huts. There would be mass starvation. We would be wearing animal skins or fig leaves as who would be able to manufacture for nothing.

Mankind has an awful lot to thank salespeople for. Without them society would not be possible. Nor would our other achievements.

It seems some members here seem to write opinions without putting their brain into gear and thinking about the implications.

Quentin

keggs wrote: »

That to my mind is a completeley false and hypocritical standpoint to take.

Steve
UW Distributor & Very Happy Customer

Talking of hypocritical, you repeatedly tell us how happy you are with UW.

But that doesn't seem entirely true from your posts elsewhere! You ask why you are being "let down" by uw in relation to its lack of competition on energy prices, and even admit to being "very uneasy" about offering energy to potential customers.

You also voice your concern over the worthless guarantee, saying you are concerned over its validity as you want to see uw actually honouring it, as well as grumble that its not just here in this thread you are finding negative comments about uw, but elsewhere on the net, and that uw needs to listen and do something as "the energy issue is damaging everyone" and the mobile tariffs are "rubbish for most people"

Does seem classic hypocrisy.

keggs

Can I add that everything in life is a form of selling. Even saying hello to someone is a hope for a favourable reaction ie a smile.

Selling is a natural process of living.

keggs

Quentin wrote: »

Talking of hypocritical, you repeatedly tell us how happy you are with UW.

But that doesn't seem entirely true from your posts elsewhere! You ask why you are being "let down" by uw in relation to its lack of competition on energy prices, and even admit to being "very uneasy" about offering energy to potential customers.

You also voice your concern over the worthless guarantee, saying you are concerned over its validity as you want to see uw actually honouring it, as well as grumble that its not just here in this thread you are finding negative comments about uw, but elsewhere on the net, and that uw needs to listen and do something as "the energy issue is damaging everyone" and the mobile tariffs are "rubbish for most people"

Does seem classic hypocrisy.

Here we go again Quentin. Your post is misleading once more. Don't confuse any comments I have about particular issues with my feelings as a whole towards the utility warehouse. I might have currently some misgivings but don't extrapolate. Overall I am very happy with the service I get from UW. I am very happy to recommend what they offer to other people. But I am also honest with people (unlike you). I tell people straight that what UW has to offer might not be for them. It is up to them to decide for themselves. It is not up to me to persuade them. Nor by the way do any ID worth his or her salt despite you trying to suggest with your twisted point of view.

Contrast that with anything you have to say on the matter. I build a relationship with people. I do not advise unless it is absolutely necessary.

For once in your life do what Vinnyph suggests - put your brain into gear before making ridiculous comments as the one you've just posted.

Incidentally. Is it not hypocrisy to tell everyone there is cashback card which is better than UW's offering but when asked to tell us all you suddenly go quiet.

The phrase Bah & Humbug spring to mind I think.:rotfl:

Steve
UW Distributors & Very Happy Customer

Cardew

keggs wrote: »

What's the problem Cardew with answering Maz's question? As far as I could tell he was making conversation. It's not at all an unusual question to ask.

I notice your response was once more an essay on how bad UW is.

Maz is right. You don't really have the right to tell others here what they should or shouldn't do with regard to whom they get their utilities from when your only experience of the utility warehouse is information gleaned from dubious internet comparison sites and deliberate misinformation and twisted information supplied by an equally dubious individual.

Not just that you dismiss anything that customers of the UW (who are not IDs) say as being totally worthless yet you say these things from a standpoint of never actually having been a customer of the UW and experienced what we all have experienced and now Carmine is experiencing. That to my mind is a completeley false and hypocritical standpoint to take.

Steve
UW Distributor & Very Happy Customer

Your logic is flawed!

Are you seriously suggesting that a person cannot comment on UW unless he works in the Utility industry.

Martin researches and advises on any manner of issues – he is a journalist – not a banker - but gets heavily involved in advising on all manner of banking topics.

He can read that Bank A offer x% interest on savings, y% on overdrafts etc and he warns about terms and conditions in the small print.

Anyone can read up on the tariffs and conditions of all the Utility companies and it doesn’t take the brains of an archbishop to work out that UW have just about the highest gas and electricity prices in UK.

To make matters even easier we have loads of comparison websites that, provided you input the correct information, all confirm the fact that UW have just about the highest gas and electricity prices in UK – it is an indisputable fact.

That I am on record as disliking some aspects of comparison websites(which you continually quote out of context), doesn’t distract from the fact that entering in the correct information will get you accurate answers.

As previously stated on MSE, I happen to be a Charted Electrical Engineer, not that it is relevant as all you need for the purposes of this thread is to be able to read!! If what I write is incorrect, then challenge me on facts.

The whole approach of the UW vested interests is to move any discussion away from UW’s gas and electricity prices and sales techniques.

Can you not understand that it really doesn’t matter about any detail of my personal circumstances. If am highly successful in my profession, or a failure it really is irrelevant to this thread. All that matters is am I telling the truth about UW’s very high gas prices or not?

Cardew

vinnyph wrote: »

It seems that some people don't like salespeople on here.

If we didn't have sales we would have no society. Nothing would be sold. There would be no buyers. There would be no-one to buy products so there wouldn't be any products and so there would be no manufacturers. There would therefore be no jobs in manufacturing. There would be no need for accountants since there would be no need for money as no products are sold. There would be no economy or marketplace. There would be no tax to collect. There would be no houses to buy, no clothes to buy and so modern society would not be possible without sales. We would have to make things ourselves. There would be no technology. There would be no medicine. Society would break down. There would be no society. We would be living in shacks or mud huts. There would be mass starvation. We would be wearing animal skins or fig leaves as who would be able to manufacture for nothing.

Mankind has an awful lot to thank salespeople for. Without them society would not be possible. Nor would our other achievements.

It seems some members here seem to write opinions without putting their brain into gear and thinking about the implications.

At times I wonder about you vinnyph.

You make a statement about salespeople.

Then go into raptures about that profession.

If salesmen are honest - surely there isn't a problem.

If they are dishonest - there is a problem!

keggs

An essay again spouting what exactly? Maz asked a common or garden question out of interest and the response is an essay.

As for Martin - I take little advice from him - particularly since he made a fool of himself some time ago over energy capping amongst other things. So I certainly won't take his advice over comparison sites. They are all flawed.

Why id it take you so long to tell us you are Chartered Engineer. It wasn't that difficult was it.

I used to be an analytical chemist before retraining as a biospychologist. I'm also a dance teacher, an ID for the Utility Warehouse. I am also a published writer.

There my bio for you. A varied career as with most people I think.

keggs

As for Vinnyph you have missed his point entirely.

Unsurprisingly. As fdor the rest of the anti UW comment. Your opinion of the UW is just that. An opinion. It is based on nothing more than some research based on comparisons sites, Martin Lewis beliefs and other anti UW factions notably Quentin. It is not based on experience. I prefer to listen to people who have experienced things positive or negative not on opinions based on someone else's opinion.