Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

Quentin

AvengerSeawolf wrote: »

Your basis for using the word 'risky' to try to denigrate the card is tentative at best....

You ask why I call it risky.

I show you that is because the uw warns that it carries risks, and you then say that basis is "tentative at best"!!!

What is "tentative" in this - (the first thing you read when looking at the ts + cs of the card):

By activating your Card you accept these Terms and Conditions and confirm you understand and accept the risks highlighted in clauses 2(b) and 18(d) of this Agreement.

1carminestocky

barneygumble wrote: »

Funny that, the UW website states "Where would you like to start saving?"
Which to me means you need to be cheaper than supplier A, otherwise there are no savings to be made. The benefits of being a club member are quite apparent, you earn money for the distirbutor who referred you. Pyramid marketing at it's best.

I would also like to comment on the "we don't waste money on marketing" theory. French and Saunders did the ad for nothing then? Of course not

I'm paying far less for my utilities with UW than I would with any other company/tariff so care to explain how that can be? No idea who you are with for energy/telecoms but I'm assuming from your stance on such matters that they make zero profit from you being their customer?

The biggest pyramid/ponzi scheme has just about every adult in the UK as a member - can you guess what it is?

vinnyph

Quentin wrote: »

As you will know, the site only introduced their "secret" password recently. (After the leaks you refer to were quoted here).

The password protection came after the investigative revelations were made both here and elsewhere on the net. The site you now want secret conducted a campaign against this website in general and MSE Martin in particular. If you start to play dirty games, expect the flak to follow.

(In any case, how do you expect a site open to thousands and thousands of uw reps to remain a secret?)

The links posted to the revealing videos are not protected. If you don't want us to see them, then take it up with the website concerned. Though why wouldn't you want us to know the matters that have been revealed? Are you ashamed of some of the techniques revealed? In any case the videos are plastered all over the net (some by Jez Tromans himself - owner of the "secret" uw training camp website and a uw marketing director)

And bear in mind the revelation on here about criminal in your midst forcing a show at cleaning up the act didn't come from there!

My dear boy, your constant determination to undermine UW and attempts to even break into the site designed for use of distributors because you are so desperate to try to find something reminds me of the news story of the man with asperger syndrome who broke into the US military site looking for evidence of UFO's.

The information on Jez's site is not sinister, there are no under handed methods put forward. You would be surprised to find it is just helpful information to help new distributors. Things like The Which customer survey reports etc. I have been on there myself. You haven't. I can tell. There is nothing wrong with the videos you have provided many links to.

This obsession you have to undermine UW is getting serious. To the point that you don't seem to see your errors when shown to you.

I foresee a possible solution to this would be for you to meet up with Charles Wigoder to have a simple talk. What do you say?

1carminestocky

jimexbox wrote: »

Or we could just call a spade a spade.

UW have some of the most expensive tariffs on offer anywhere in the UK. For some unfathomable reason you refuse to accept this. I agree that if you shop where UW tell you to shop, it is possible to reduce this expensive tarrif to a more acceptable level. Though not a good place to start in the first place.

Then we have your infamous triple guarantee which with judicious terms and conditions rules out dual fuel and Internet tariffs, even though the vast majority of UW customers go dual fuel and Internet billing is pushed by your reps. A strange paradox which UW folk around here find perfectly acceptable. When in reality its a sales tool used to push an expensive product to an unwary 'friend', makes 'em feel all cosy thinking a 'guarantee' is there for their benefit when we all know the real purpose.

What cash back card do you use for your shopping, jimexbox?

NigeWick

1carminestocky wrote: »

Let's face it, the energy industry is THE most distrusted industry in the country

WOT?!?! Even more than Polly-Tics? :eek:

keggs

vinnyph wrote: »

My dear boy, your constant determination to undermine UW and attempts to even break into the site designed for use of distributors because you are so desperate to try to find something reminds me of the news story of the man with asperger syndrome who broke into the US military site looking for evidence of UFO's.

The information on Jez's site is not sinister, there are no under handed methods put forward. You would be surprised to find it is just helpful information to help new distributors. Things like The Which customer survey reports etc. I have been on there myself. You haven't. I can tell. There is nothing wrong with the videos you have provided many links to.

This obsession you have to undermine UW is getting serious. To the point that you don't seem to see your errors when shown to you.

I foresee a possible solution to this would be for you to meet up with Charles Wigoder to have a simple talk. What do you say?

Unfortunately I believe Quentin did go the site. The new security system was introduced only after I contacted Jez Tromans to inform him that someone (most likely Quentin as he seemed to know exactly what I was personally discussing and using it to attack me personally) was misusing the information on the site. He knows exactly what we do and deliberatly misues that information for his own TWISTED AGENDA. Shame on him and people like him.

As I have remarked before he is similar to Star Gates parasitic alien the Goauld. If you have ever watched the series then you will know what I mean. Like the Goauld Quentin has no conscience - he just likes to hurt people irrespective of whether they are IDs or customers of the UWDC. He doesn't even have the decency to at least recognise and apologise for any insults and in the case of Nigewick for potentially libellous remarks. Incidentally Quentin when are you going to apologise to Nigewick for your disgraceful behaviour.

You will never appease people like him so I rarely debate with him even though he uses every means possible to lure me.

Steve
UW Distributor & Very Happy Customer

SwanJon

vinnyph wrote: »

<With all respect swanjon I think you are making assumptions in regards to UW. Its because you have never actually done it.
Those companies employ mainly 18 to 22 year olds who are sent out with only a single day of training ...
Above all the level of training within Telecomplus has always been of a high standard.

That was a remarkably coherent post for you vinny.
Once again you accuse me of making assumptions, then do the same yourself.

The issue of training in UW has only recently come to the fore, even though I asked the IDs on here baout it months ago. Whilst I don't doubt that the training has always been of a high standard, the fact that it wasn't compulsory has meant that IDs have been signing people up without fully understanding the product or guidelines around selling energy. The people with least understanding were those with the highest incentive to get quick sales (their £200 back). There have been posts on here where IDs have admitted they misunderstood something, and post where people had to help the ID who was trying to sign them up - they hadn't read the thick booklet properly before their prospect arrived.

Complusory training removes all this, and it is a vast step forward - I congratulate UW on taking it.

keggs

SwanJon wrote: »

That was a remarkably coherent post for you vinny.
Once again you accuse me of making assumptions, then do the same yourself.

The issue of training in UW has only recently come to the fore, even though I asked the IDs on here baout it months ago. Whilst I don't doubt that the training has always been of a high standard, the fact that it wasn't compulsory has meant that IDs have been signing people up without fully understanding the product or guidelines around selling energy. The people with least understanding were those with the highest incentive to get quick sales (their £200 back). There have been posts on here where IDs have admitted they misunderstood something, and post where people had to help the ID who was trying to sign them up - they hadn't read the thick booklet properly before their prospect arrived.

Complusory training removes all this, and it is a vast step forward - I congratulate UW on taking it.

I quite agree with you Swanjon. I have always believed that the initial training UW provides should have been mandatory from the start. This as you say has now been addressed. The question of training is more historical. When the company was set up what was offered was very limited. So training wasn't needed. But the company has grown and developed tremendously over the past 10 years so it is inevitable that some form of 'official' training should be in place.

The problem for you I fear is your misundertstanding that people who join UW are business partners of UW and not employees. You can't compel a business partner to do something they aren't willing to do. That's been the point of the business from the start. The word is partnership between the HO and its IDs in much the same way as it is with any franchise.

That said, with recent events plus the fact that people are far more successful if they are trained properly. And the fact that everyone is singing from the same hymn sheet the company were right to make it mandatory.

Steve
UW Distributor & Very Happy Customer

Quentin

vinnyph wrote: »

The information on Jez's site is not sinister, there are no under handed methods put forward. You would be surprised to find it is just helpful information to help new distributors. Tehings like The Which customer survey reports etc. I have been on thre myself. You haven't. I can tell. There is nothing wrong with the videos you have provided many links to.

This obsession you have to undermine UW is getting serious. To the point that you don't seem to see your errors when shown to you.

I foresee a possible solution to this would be for you to meet up with Charles Wigoder to have a simple talk. What do you say?

You say Jez's site has no underhanded methods put forward:

How do you see these:

1) Con your friends into thinking you have a problem at work which they can help you with by giving up a little time to allow you to practice on them, when the stated agenda is really to sign them up for multiple services. Nice way to use your friends.

2) Con people in the street you are lost to ask for directions, when really you aren't lost and want to detail them about uw products.

3) Con people you parked next to by writing a compliment to them to get them to read your advertising stuck on their car

4) Get round the problem where a "good earner" (for the uw rep) prospect's price worries are meaning he won't sign up by offering to "give" him some customers so that he can get the referral discount to bring his bills down.

5) See the way the reps work in real life (eg. the gullible spanish teachers)

More underhand examples can be provided if you want them!

Are you seriously putting forward your boss to speak to as a way to convert me? And you expect to be taken seriously?

keggs

Quentin wrote: »

You say Jez's site has no underhanded methods put forward:

How do you see these:

1) Con your friends into thinking you have a problem at work which they can help you with by giving up a little time to allow you to practice on them, when the stated agenda is really to sign them up for multiple services. Nice way to use your friends.

2) Con people in the street you are lost to ask for directions, when really you aren't lost and want to detail them about uw products.

3) Con people you parked next to by writing a compliment to them to get them to read your advertising stuck on their car

4) Get round the problem where a "good earner" (for the uw rep) prospect's price worries are meaning he won't sign up by offering to "give" him some customers so that he can get the referral discount to bring his bills down.

5) See the way the reps work in real life (eg. the gullible spanish teachers)

More underhand examples can be provided if you want them!

Are you seriously putting forward your boss to speak to as a way to convert me? And you expect to be taken seriously?

In the words of the great Tennis star MacEnroe "You can't be serious!":rotfl: