Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

keggs

chrisclipson wrote: »

Whyever would that be illegal - THAT is a traditional business, it's how the likes of Tescos operate, by buying from someone and selling on to someone else at a higher price!

Pyramid selling is, and I quote from a business dictionary, 'Illegal type of network marketing in which recruits pay an admission fee to join the scheme to earn commissions on persuading other people to join the scheme'.

And that differs, I think, only semantically from UW or Amway. As I pointed out a while back on this thread, I consider that UW operates on the very edge of legality.

There are a wide variety of illegal pyramid selling schemes all of which involve people parting with their money for nothing of any value in return. Most do not have a product. Those that do are totally worhless.

Traditional business involves people parting with their money to start a business.

Network marketing businesses all involve parting with money to start a business.

The resaon pyramid selling schemes are illegal is because the people are asked to part with money. Part of that fee is paid to the person who recruits them. It isn't paid to a company that is offering a product or service. That's the difference. The person recruited then carries on the chain signing yo people for a fee. A portion of this fee goes up the chain.

There is no product or service and if there is it is a token gesture.

Network marketing companies are no diiferent from normal traditional busineeses except for ONE THING and one thing only. They have

(a) a manufacturer or service provider
(b) Somepone to 'sell' the product or service
(c) An end consumer.

Illegal pyramid selling schemes have no end consumer. And they are unlikely to have a parent company offering a product of service. That's why they are illegal

keggs

chrisclipson wrote: »

You tell me which bit you think is funny and I'll tell you if I'm joking or not :rolleyes:

Having an open mind and really knowing how it operates. The only way you have knowledge is by others here who oppose the company using videos to try and support their mischievous beliefs. If you had an open mind you would ask geniuine questions and would want to learn. You don't jump to conclusions about something yo have been told or forced to see by someone who has his own agenda.

Quentin

keggs wrote: »

Your argument can be countered all the time Quentin. They are purely mischievous are are designed to do just one thing.

I haven't argued with you - you use that expression to try and cause trouble.

You will see I answered a post (correctly), that uw would get £2000 immediately from 10 new recruits, and compared that with a rep only getting £25 for signing up 10 people as gas customers.

You responded that this was incorrect info.

I then "argued" that my info was correct! You then agreed regarding the £2000, (though needless to say didn't apologise for the false accusation of "incorrect"), but made no comment on the £25.

keggs

People here might dislike alternative ways of doing business but the fact remains they are here and are here to stay. What's more they are the only businesses that are growing in a world wide recession.

You might not like them but many people do.

If you don't - tough!

keggs

Quentin wrote: »

I haven't argued with you - you use that expression to try and cause trouble.

You will see I answered a post (correctly), that uw would get £2000 immediately from 10 new recruits, and compared that with a rep only getting £25 for signing up 10 people as gas customers.

You responded that this was incorrect info.

I then "argued" that my info was correct! You then agreed regarding the £2000, (though needless to say didn't apologise for the false accusation of "incorrect"), but made no comment on the £25.

You I and many others here know exactly what you are doing Quentin. As always you misuse information to try and imply something that doesn't exist. Then when caught out you pretend that you are only informing people. Then you libel people.

BTW When are you going to apologise to Nigewick for your appalling libelous behaviour

Quentin

keggs wrote: »

The only way you have knowledge is by others here who oppose the company using videos to try and support their mischievous beliefs.

keggs - who produces the videos????

The videos don't support "mischievous" beliefs - but they do show not only how low uw is prepared to ask its reps to go to get a customer on board, but also the fact that they don't care that we can all see their deceitful way of doing business.

(Don't forget apart from your own deceitful car park trip, another of your colleagues encourages you all to try the trick of asking a stranger for directions (even though you aren't really lost), then give the stranger a reward by way of your card, saying thanks for helping me, let me help you!)

chrisclipson

keggs wrote: »

Having an open mind and really knowing how it operates. The only way you have knowledge is by others here who oppose the company using videos to try and support their mischievous beliefs. If you had an open mind you would ask geniuine questions and would want to learn. You don't jump to conclusions about something yo have been told or forced to see by someone who has his own agenda.

I have not learned a single thing about how UW operates from this website/thread; everyone on here seems to have an agenda one way or another. I have done my own research in a totally open minded fashion. The ones who are not open minded are the UW salesmen/distributors with blind faith in what they are doing (and of course a financial interest in persuading others to buy or join). That is what I meant, in a previous post, by describing the classic religious language of the pro-UW posters - accusing non-believers of having closed minds is symptomatic of evangelicals through the ages who cannot accept that some people are capable of making up their own minds on the evidence.

keggs

Quentin wrote: »

(Don't forget apart from your own deceitful car park trip, another of your colleagues encourages you all to try the trick of asking a stranger for directions (even though you aren't really lost), then give the stranger a reward by way of your card, saying thanks for helping me, let me help you!)

What's deceitful about that. No one is deceiving anyone . If you think it's deitful then you obviously lived a terrible life up to now. It's a perfectly useful way for some people to make a friend. Have you never said hello to someone or stopped to ask for directions then had a conversation. That's all they are doing. If the ID wishes to give someything to someone they think the other person might find useful what wrong with that. The other person doesn't have to take it or are you implying the ID is going to shove it down the person's throat if they don't take it.

As for me. Who am I deceiving. I have left a message thanking them for not parking too close to me. When was the last time you thanked anyone for doing something nice to you. As above if I have something I believe could be worthwhile to that other person why shouldn't I let them know. If they are interested they will call me. If not they won't.

Get off you moral high horse and come down to earth.

In any case based on what you write here and the fact that you refuse to aplogise to someone for libelling them and for the way you misuse information for your own personal gratification you have no right to tell others they are deceiving people.

jimexbox

So just so there s no confusion, UW would make £2000 pure profit from *cough* some sort of joining fee? Wow, no materials or anything? Just 2 large going into the bank, nice.

AvengerSeawolf

Wow, what an amazing thread! I'd heard about this and thought I'd come and see for myself. And yes, I am a UW distributor and have been for almost 3 years.

For me, what UW offers is not for everyone. As independent distributors all we can do are accurately show the features and benefits of becoming a club member to prospects and see whether they want to take advantage of them - based on their existing position. For some it's attractive, for some it isn't.

I don't think UW is much different to any other utility supplier really, we just have a USP in putting it all on one bill, having recognised award-winning customer service, and some basic guarantees. It's easy to get evangelical about it (and some do) but at the end of the day UW is just another option in a huge market. No need to 'go to war' with people over either the business model or the services. If people like it - great. If not, that's fine too.

Keggs - I feel for you mate. But stop getting wound up and go and spend your time more productively earning some money for yourself.:beer: