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Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion
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Your post seems purely to personally abuse me - if you had read the preceding pages you would see the debate has been about the pyramid type operation of uw.
My post was in answer to nigewick's claim that the on line videos aren't company policy and his claim that the company only pays out for sales.
The "martini" presentation clearly shows this is not the case, as it shows the big money only comes with recruiting others.
Who cares? You accused a member of being dodgy and refuse to apologise last time I looked. Are you getting all sensitive again?
In truth nobody really cares your opinions on how the company operate, in fact I am surprised anybody even bothers responding to you anymore. And yes I am aware of the irony of that!
You should not even be allowed to discuss that on here in my opinion, as you are publically slandering a legitimate PLC on your basis of opinion only, whilst hiding behind your PC.
You really are a poor act.
These opinions are completely my own, and in no way represent Telecom Plus or Utility Warehouse.0 -
arteta1878 wrote: »In truth nobody really cares your opinions on how the company operate, in fact I am surprised anybody even bothers responding to you anymore. And yes I am aware of the irony of that!
You should not even be allowed to discuss that on here in my opinion, as you are publically slandering a legitimate PLC on your basis of opinion only, whilst hiding behind your PC.
You really are a poor act.
These opinions are completely my own, and in no way represent Telecom Plus or Utility Warehouse.
Do you know what you are talking about? This is a public forum, we can discuss anything we want about UW within normal legal constraints and forum policy. If UW, or even you feel anyone has committed a libel against the good name of UW. Can I suggest you start legal proceedings against this site to disclose their identity, then pursue them through the court system?0 -
Do you know what you are talking about? This is a public forum, we can discuss anything we want about UW within normal legal constraints and forum policy. If UW, or even you feel anyone has committed a libel against the good name of UW. Can I suggest you start legal proceedings against this site to disclose their identity, then pursue them through the court system?
I had a bet with my mate sat here that you would answer for him :rotfl:
Well done, right on cue!
Of course you are free to say what you want, but seriously though, I thought this site was about money saving? Not the virtues of how a company operates? Could you enlighten me there? Surely that should be for another forum?0 -
Jimexbox
Do you run your own business? If so how do YOU find customers.
Do you work for someone? Do you go and find customers for your boss or does he have salesemen and women who use all means of tactics to sign up customers? Incidentally sales techniques DON'T WORK in network marketing bsuinesses
UW is a referral marketing business. Please note the use of the word referral. Provided it is both legal and ethical and approved by the company we can refer people to the Utility Warehouse using any idea we can creatively come up with. I don't personally like wearing badges but will do so if it gets me and the company business. Do you have a problem with this? If so please say what it is. Does it offend your eyes or is it just because it has something to do with the Utility Warehouse?
I run another business - my own - not a NM. I use methods not disimilar to those used by UW distributors. I've been using these methods longer than UW's been in existence. These include tee shirts with the name of my business on.
How many businesses do you see with their cars plastered with details of their company?
Your arguments are ridiculous and purely mischievous in nature. Stop trying to make UW out as anything different from traditional business - it isn't. The difference (and here's the simple answer to the question no seemed to have any clue about) is:
The main difference between a traditional business and a NM marketing business is ADVERTISING and MIDDLEMEN. In traditional business millions of pounds of your money, my money and everyone else's money is used by big corporations to pay for massive advertising campaigns in newspapers, TV, radio and anywhere else they can think of. I dread to think how much British Gas customers are paying for BG's latest headline grabbing TV advert. The fact is it gets customers so they will keep doing it.
Contrary to popular believe the purpose of advertising is to get your name out and not get customers. Customers only come if they think what you have to offer will benefit them. That applies to UW as any other business but somehow you seem to imply that we do anything we can to sign up a customer. That is disgusting to put it mildly and I take very great exception to that.as would every other distributor.
Big corporations also pay millions in distrubution costs - regional centres, wholesalers, retailers and anything in between.
This accounts for between 60 - 90% of the cost of an item bought in a shop.
In NM business all these middlemen, large advertising budgets etc etc is done away with. The money that would have been paid in that way is paid instead to distributors. Distributors are simply walking, talking adverts. No more. No less. Word of mouth advertising is far more efficient than any other form of advertising. Building teams of people makes it even more efficient because it gets the word out to a wider audience. It's also natural. We do it all the time without even thinking about it.
If people want to talk to their friends, relatives and neighbours - so what? I get people joining my classes all the time because I get recommended by other people they know. Only the other week a friend of mine told some people. They gave them my number and they contacted me. They also liked what I had to offer. What's abnormal about that. Have you not been recommended to do something or buy something by a friend, neighbour or relative. Have you not done it yourself?
You (and people like you) who object do so because you can't or won't accept the simple fact that someone is being paid to recommend something.
Get over it. If you don't like that - tough!. No one is asking you to get involved so what's your problem. But you don't leave it at that do you. You and others here have to take it one stage further by perpetuating myths and lies. Some even resort to libel in order to try and tell everyone else that it morally and unethically wrong to be paid by someone for simplay recommending a product or service.
Join the real world. It goes on all the time. Only in many cases it's called moonlighting where people aren't paying tax. Or are you saying that UW distributors are tax dodgers?
Whether or not the Utility Warehouse is beneficial to anyone is not up to you to decide it is up to others. If it isn't fine. If it is great.
Who are you to make a decision as to whether it is or not.0 -
Let's nail this pyramid selling nonsense once and for all.
Compare the similarity.
Pyramid selling scheme which is illegal. This is just one scheme - I think it was the orginal
1. Someone has a product (supposedly) - most don't
2. They sell it onto someone or many people else adding a margin for profit.
3. They sell ito on to someone else or many people adding a margin for profit.
etc
etc
TRADITIONAL BUSINESS which is legal
1. A company maufactures a product
2. They sell it on to a regional distribution centre adding a markup for profit
3. The regional distribution centre adds their own markup and sells it a wholesaler.
4. The wholesaler adds its own markuo and sells it to a retailer.
5. The retailer adds its own markup and sells it to the end consumer.
The two are glaringly similar but the fomer is ilelgal and quite rightly so and the latter is legal.
Strange.
Network marketing companies have no middle men who carve out their own profit. A product is manufactured (or a service provided) and is given directly to the end cusumer vai a ordinary people who will recommend it to people they know or don't know.
I would suggest that'sa much more ethical way to do business.0 -
arteta1878 wrote: »I had a bet with my mate sat here that you would answer for him :rotfl:
Well done, right on cue!
Of course you are free to say what you want, but seriously though, I thought this site was about money saving? Not the virtues of how a company operates? Could you enlighten me there? Surely that should be for another forum?
Thank you.
Yes, this is indeed a money saving site, we agree on that!;) If any company claims it can save you money its only right and proper that said company can be scrutinised as to how it makes such claims. Part of that scrutiny is how they operate and treat their customers. Would you not agree?0 -
arteta1878 wrote: »Are you getting all sensitive again?......I am surprised anybody even bothers responding to you anymore.
I don't get "all sensitive" at all (if I did, the constant personal abuse from uw reps here would have pushed me to suicide), so why do you ask that?
Part of the uw problem highlighted here is that no-one from uw actually responds to points raised at all.
The only responses from uw reps seem to be angry personal attacks, and never answers to any direct questions!
Opinions are clearly allowed on a forum like this!
The facts are something uw reps are trained to not get involved in!
http://www.networkerplus.co.uk/videos/no-detail-required.htmlThe Company's very top distributors do not get hung up on the detail and their approach is simple and top-line. This excellent video by Wes Linden demonstrates this fact very well. Highly recommended0 -
When you recommend something you've bought from say IKEA how much detail do you go into before it bores them to death.0
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