Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

keggs

Hop-heinz

If you are genuinely worried about the legitimacy of the Utility Warehouse I would suggest the following:

1. Contact Ofgem
2. Contact Ofcom
3. Contact the Office of Fair Trading
4. Contact the London Stock Exchange
5. Contact your local trading standarss office. You should also be able to request a copy (or they will point you in the right direction) of a report published by a local trading standards officer some years ago which will will explain MLM, network marketing and pyramid selling without the bias and unknowledgeable input of people on here particularly those who have their own agenda or are being paid to make negative comments about a British plc which has been around for 11 years now.

Do your own due diligence and not take advice of people here wheover they are.

I speak as a UW distributor & Very happy customer for 10 years.

keggs

chrisclipson wrote: »

However, a key part of their business model is that you pay to become a 'distributor' and are encouraged to make that money back by recruiting others - that to me is clearly pyramid selling.

That is definitely a libelous statemen. I agree with Carmine. I would suggest you clarify the last half of your paragraph.

jimexbox

UW is not a pyramid selling scheme, although whatever keggs likes to believe MLM which is how UW operate certainly has characteristics which can be found in Egypt.

Google MLM, multi level marketing, and there are thousands of pages which somehow see a link between pyramid selling schemes and MLM, which some folk around here just cannot see. Now MLM is not illegal, that doest necessarily follow it doesn't take its inspiration from such schemes.

Like I said google MLM and read away.....

keggs

jimexbox wrote: »

UW is not a pyramid selling scheme, although whatever keggs likes to believe MLM which is how UW operate certainly has characteristics which can be found in Egypt.

Google MLM, multi level marketing, and there are thousands of pages which somehow see a link between pyramid selling schemes and MLM, which some folk around here just cannot see. Now MLM is not illegal, that doest necessarily follow it doesn't take its inspiration from such schemes.

Like I said google MLM and read away.....

You obviously don't appear to be able to read properly Jimexbox. Here we go again.

Fact 1 Network Marketing or MLM started before Pyramid selling about 70 - 80 years ago.

Fact 2. Pyramid selling schemes were created by unscrupulous people and organisations. They misuse the organisation and methodology of NW schemees

Fact 3. NW / MLM is a perfectly legal and ethical way of doing being business - Pyramid selling is illegal.

I asked a very simple question a little while ago. I will ask it again.

What is the main difference between Traditional business organisation and Nwtwork Marketing organisation?

Being pyramidal in structure IS NOT THE ANSWER. BOTH HAVE A PYRAMID STRUCTURE IF YOU HAD THE INTELLIGENCE TO WORK IT OUT.

I will keep asking this question till someone does some proper research and comes back with the correct answer and not some made up one

jimexbox

keggs wrote: »

You obviously don't appear to be able to read properly Jimexbox. Here we go again. Do you pretend to be s***** or does come naturally?

There is no need to be rude, if you can't properly articulate your argument, don't descend to name calling.

You dont need to accept anything I say, I dont expect you too.;) Just google 'multi level marketing' and read what others think. Would you like a few link to start with?

keggs

I don't have to accept anything you say period. But you are the one publishing information on this site which either you know is incorrect or you are being completely mischievous. I asked you some time back to tell me what network marketing is. You didn't and you still haven't.

Now do me and people like Hop-heinz a favour and either tell him exactly what network marketing is or refrain from writing knowingly misleading information. We have enough on here from at least one person who deliberately misleads people.

Now define Network Marketing and tell me what the main difference is between it and the way traditional business is organised. If you cant go and find out.

As for being rude - what do you expect when you constantly repeat garbage without learning anything or even prepared to learn anything. I suggested to you to go and read (I mean a proper book) and not google information from the internet which is well known for being aresource that you can't rely on.

Quentin

keggs wrote: »

If you are genuinely worried about the legitimacy of the Utility Warehouse I would suggest the following:

1. Contact Ofgem
2. Contact Ofcom
3. Contact the Office of Fair Trading
4. Contact the London Stock Exchange
5. Contact your local trading standarss office.

Which of those organisations will be able to tell him how to make a claim against that worthless guarantee which you reps are seen using as a "sales tool" to get gullibles to sign up with? (You know, the guarantee that ensures your energy will never be the cheapest, but as confirmed by your Director in the video, it's been designed as a sales tool to make "getting energy customers much easier".)

http://www.networkerplus.co.uk/videos/triple-value-guarantee-wayne-coupland.html

jimexbox

'Cut and Pasted' from the skeptics dictioniary...

multi-level marketing (a.k.a. network marketing & referral marketing)

The idea behind multi-level marketing (MLM) is simple. Imagine you have a product to sell. A common MLM product is some sort of panacea, such as a vitamin or mineral supplement. You could do what most businesses do: either sell it directly to consumers or find others who will buy your product from you and sell it to other people. MLM schemes require that you recruit people not only to buy and sell your product, but who will also recruit people who will not only buy and sell your product but also recruit people....ad infinitum. Only there never is an infinitum to move towards. This may seem unusual to traditional business people. Why, you might wonder would you recruit people to compete with you? For, isn't that what you are doing when you recruit people to sell the same products you are selling? MLM magic will convince you that it is reasonable to recruit competitors because they won't really be competitors since you will get a cut of their profits. This will take your mind off the fact that no matter how big your town or market, it is finite. The well will go dry soon enough. There will always be some distributors who will make money in an MLM scheme. The majority, however, must fail due to the intrinsic nature of all pyramid schemes.

Multi-level marketing is system of marketing which puts more emphasis upon the recruiting of distributors than on the selling of products. As such, it is intrinsically flawed. MLM is very attractive, however, because it sells hope and appears to be outside the mainstream of business as usual. It promises wealth and independence to all. Unfortunately, no matter what the product, MLM is doomed to produce more failures than successes. For every MLM distributor who makes a decent living or even a decent supplemental income, there are at least ten who do little more than buy products and promotional materials, costing them much more than they will ever earn as an MLM agent. The most successful MLM scheme is Amway. It has millions of distributors worldwide with sales in the billions. At the turn of the century, the average Amway distributor earned about $700 a year in sales, but spent about $1,000 a year on Amway products. Distributors also have other expenses related to the business, e.g., telephone, gas, motivational meetings, and publicity material (Amway.com; Klebniov 1991).

The reason MLM schemes cannot succeed is because MLM marketing is, in essence, a legal pyramid scheme. The basic idea is for a sales person to recruit more sales persons. This is very advantageous to those who own the company and supply the products, especially since the sales persons in MLMs are also customers. But it is puzzling why a sales person would think it is to his or her advantage to increase the number of competing sales persons.

This is not to say there is no benefit to MLM membership. You get certain tax write-offs. You get to buy products, some of which you will be happy with. You get to go to inspirational meetings, some of which will make you feel good. You may meet new friends and you may even make a few bucks. But more than likely you will end up alienating some family and friends. You will probably end up buying more stuff than you sell. And you will learn a lot about deceiving yourself and others. You won't be allowed to tell anyone how you are really doing, for example. You will always have to think positive, even if that means lying. You will have to tell anyone who asks that you are doing great, that business is wonderful, that you've never seen anything go so fast and bring you income so quickly, even if it isn't true.

The dangers of MLM schemes have been well articulated by others. If you are thinking of joining any MLM program, I advise you to first read Dean Van Druff's What's Wrong With Multi-Level Marketing

keggs

An excellent example of wortless information taken off the internet. Individual that wrote this doesn't know what he is talking about anyome than you do. Prime examples:

1. Multi-level marketing is system of marketing which puts more emphasis upon the recruiting of distributors than on the selling of products.

That's illegal.
Without distributors selling a company's products no one (repeat no one gets paid). Building a team does one thing and one thing only - it allows a products to get out to the masses more quickly than one person doing it on their own. Are you part of a team were you work Jimexbox?

2. As such, it is intrinsically flawed. MLM is very attractive, however, because it sells hope and appears to be outside the mainstream of business as usual. It promises wealth and independence to all. Unfortunately, no matter what the product, MLM is doomed to produce more failures than successes.

Like every business it takes time and stamina to build. People fail in every business unless they do what they have to do and are prepared to do what they have to do. No work - no pay. It's a simple as that. Isn't it ironic that people who work for others still expect to be paid by their boss if they don't do anything. How many are there in your workplace that don't do anything and still get paid at the end of the month?

MLM doesn't sell hope. It offers people the chance to change their lives if they want to. Repeat if they want to. If they are NOT prepared to work then they won't get their dreams. It isn't a get rich quick scheme - something you and this sceptic is implying. There is a legal requirement to make that clear.

In NW you only get paid if you do what you have to do.
The reason MLM schemes cannot succeed is because MLM marketing is, in essence, a legal pyramid scheme.

Another misleading piece of garbage. MLM / NW has been around 70 -8 0 yesr. It's a multi billion dollar industry. It is used by many companies to sell some or all of its products. Major international companies use it eg Coca Cola. Repeat Coca Cola; Sony, Repeat Sony. Toyota, Repeat Toyota.

Go and read a proper book instead of copy and pasting rubbish you googled. then I will have some respect for your views.

jimexbox

LOL :beer::beer: