Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

Quentin

Decado23 wrote: »

If they don't like the services offered, then the practice is still valuable.

Even more cynicism.

What a way to be encouraged to treat your friends.

You ask a friend to help you out over "practising".

You really are intending to sell him 4 products. Yet he is conned into thinking he is helping a friend out.

But if that fails you say not to worry, its win win for the uw rep as "the practice is still valuable"!

Talk about taking advantage of a friendship!

tuggy12

1carminestocky wrote: »

Just reserved 2 Epson Stylus Sx100 printer/copier/scanner type thingies to pick up from my local Comet. Total price £54 (cheaper than anywhere else from what I can see). If I had the UW card that would have been £2.70 off my bill (36 hours of my ridiculously profligate leccy consumption paid for ). Just waiting for the £72 from SP and UW here I come.

Great price.

Do you know if any ink cartridges included?

1carminestocky

tuggy12 wrote: »

Great price.

Do you know if any ink cartridges included?

I bloody hope so! I'm sure they will just be the 'starter' cartridges, though. To be fair, it's a similar price elsewhere now. £29.99 delivered at amazon so £59.98 for 2. But UW card holders who also ordered through a cashback site would miss out on over £10 that way (although they would have to visit the store, granted).

jimexbox

Quentin wrote: »

Even more cynicism.

What a way to be encouraged to treat your friends.

You ask a friend to help you out over "practising".

You really are intending to sell him 4 products. Yet he is conned into thinking he is helping a friend out.

But if that fails you say not to worry, its win win for the uw rep as "the practice is still valuable"!

Talk about taking advantage of a friendship!

Its becoming patently obvious that the number of distributors correlates closely to the number of customers, due largely to to the 'manipulation' of friends and family.

So when Vinny hopes for 2,800,000 customers in a few years, there will be roughly 260,000 distributors. What I find particular disturbing about the UW methods, is that it relies on ignorance and trust of friends and family. Ask me or you what your unit price is for gas or electric we would be able to tell you. Ask the 'average' UK citizen and I bet they wouldn't have a clue.

So when a friend or a family member are promised cheaper gas and electric and are shown the triple guarantee, I would assume that said friend, trusting the person who 'just found out' would actually believe them. I find this a cynical exploitation of trust at the expense of an ongoing relationship. The next cynical step would be to try and sign the friend up as a distributor, what with 'trickle down' fiscal plan which UW operates, why not.

Decado23

Quentin wrote: »

Even more cynicism.

What a way to be encouraged to treat your friends.

You ask a friend to help you out over "practising".

You really are intending to sell him 4 products. Yet he is conned into thinking he is helping a friend out.

But if that fails you say not to worry, its win win for the uw rep as "the practice is still valuable"!

Talk about taking advantage of a friendship!

More unfounded accusations!

Before I became involved with UW my friend told me he'd started a new business and would like to practice his presentation with me. Of course I said yes, I'm happy to help my friends.

So we went through the presentation... since I'd never heard of UW before I decided to have a more detailed look through the service brochure and tariff guide. I calculated I'd be paying around £50 less each month for energy than I was with my then current supplier. Also £5 per month less for phone/internet (while also upgrading from 'up to 2mb to 'up to 8mb) and getting 24/7 inclusive calls as opposed to the weekends package I was on.

All that without even including the cashback card or offers in the member benefits directory.

I also appreciate the fact that I won't end up paying more to subsidise 'new customer only deals' or online discounts - all UW customers are offered the same deals as all other UW customers (assuming same usage & region).

I also appreciate the fact that I'm not on a discounted rate being subsidised by existing customers.

I find the single bill, single DD convenient.

I like having access to exceptional customer service.


Now, all that said, do I feel 'conned' or 'tricked' by my friend's presentation? No - he did me a favour as far as I'm concerned.

Am I angry with my friend for not telling me I may have been able to get an additional one off cashback by using a switching site? No - I'm saving plenty of money anyway, he's building up his business... whinging about a trivial one off discount would be petty in my opinion.

Should I avoid telling friends and familiy about UW and why I believe they have the best overall offering on the market? No - they may decide to join UW or not, that's for them to decide, I merely offer them the opportunity.


UW distributor

1carminestocky

jimexbox wrote: »

Its becoming patently obvious that the number of distributors correlates closely to the number of customers, due largely to to the 'manipulation' of friends and family.

So when Vinny hopes for 2,800,000 customers in a few years, there will be roughly 260,000 distributors. What I find particular disturbing about the UW methods, is that it relies on ignorance and trust of friends and family. Ask me or you what your unit price is for gas or electric we would be able to tell you. Ask the 'average' UK citizen and I bet they wouldn't have a clue.

So when a friend or a family member are promised cheaper gas and electric and are shown you the triple guarantee, I would assume that said friend trusting the person who 'just found out' would actually believe them. I find this a cynical exploitation of trust at the expense of an ongoing relationship. The next cynical step would be to try and sign the friend up as a distributor, what with 'trickle down' fiscal plan which UW operates, why not.

I suppose it's absolutely fair to make those sort of comments if you can categorically state you absolutely make it your business to ensure all your friends, neighbours, little old lady down the street etc etc are on the very cheapest tarfiff commensurate with their usage. Can you?

Funnily enough, I actually can (almost!). As has been documented on here, I frequently advise my friends on the very best tariff for them. All for free, of course. Only problem being the frequency by which tariffs are changed these days it's actually impossible to do it properly. But at least I've tried. None of the detractors on here when I've asked this question has responded, which leaves me with the suspicion that I'm fairly unique in that respect.

penrhyn

As a diversion, 7 Day shop have Epson cartridges, but I haven't compared them with other suppliers though.

http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/default.php?cat=2&type=2010&man=21&filterwords=&go=SEARCH&comp=

I've used them for HP cartridges and found them competitive in the past.

Quentin

Decado23 wrote: »

Before I became involved with UW my friend told me he'd started a new business and would like to practice his presentation with me. Of course I said yes, I'm happy to help my friends........................Should I avoid telling friends and familiy about UW and why I believe they have the best overall offering on the market? No - they may decide to join UW or not, that's for them to decide, I merely offer them the opportunity.

You say you are happy to help your friends. Of course, no argument. We all are. But to subsequently discover the ask for "help" is nothing of the kind. It is a cynical ploy to get the chance of a "rejection free presentation" (as big al would put it - http://www.networkerplus.co.uk/videos/rejection-free-presentation-big-al.html).

And should you avoid telling your friends? Your friends might be interested, they might not, but any real friend wanting to tell something like this wouldn't do it via a cynical "call for help" over needing to practice what you'd been taught.

vinnyph

Is quentin a gramophone record on endless loop.

Mike_by_the_Sea

jimexbox wrote: »

Its becoming patently obvious that the number of distributors correlates closely to the number of customers, due largely to to the 'manipulation' of friends and family.

What I find particular disturbing about the UW methods, is that it relies on ignorance and trust of friends and family.

So when a friend or a family member are promised cheaper gas and electric and are shown the triple guarantee, I would assume that said friend, trusting the person who 'just found out' would actually believe them. I find this a cynical exploitation of trust at the expense of an ongoing relationship. The next cynical step would be to try and sign the friend up as a distributor, what with 'trickle down' fiscal plan which UW operates, why not.

Dear jimexbox and Quentin

I personally find your comments both distasteful and incredibly cynical. What justification do you think you have to "state" the modus operandi for uw distributors?

You think that because you go to a distributor site and post a link to here that it proves anything. There are an infinite number of ways to promote and sell things in this world and there are an infinite number of people (if that is possible) who will tell you the secret of how to do it.

If you were to pitch an opportunity to your friends and family, would they roll over and say yes to everything? In my experience I got honest feedback from mine which enabled me to understand what I was doing right and what I was doing wrong. In some cases they saw the benefits and signed up and others told me where to go. I value the relationships with my friends and family more than "using" them to make money, maybe you don't.

I would not exploit people for my own ends and I find it very sad that you would think that this is the profile of a "uw distributor".

As you are all such experts in the way uw distributors are paid, you will realise that the way to benefit from the payment process is to maintain and grow your customer base by having happy customers. There are very few services that have any tie-in and the customers are free to switch if they are not happy.

In my opinion what makes uw work for me is that I offer something very rare in this world, a person they can contact if they have any questions and concerns who cares about them and will go out of my way to resolve it. It is not about signing somebody up and grabbing a quick buck and running away. It is about giving them support and honest advice about the products and services they need. This also goes for people that sign up as distributors. If they sign up and they are not supported and helped, they are very likely to ultimately fail. The amount of success you get from this business is directly related to the effort you put in.

If this is something that you find hard to comprehend, then fine. For other people who appreciate this service, they will tell others and so the business grows.

It is not for everyone, but the posts on here suggest that anybody who is involved in uw, be it a customer or distributor, are brainwashed or manipulators. This is incredibly arrogant.

Have a great day

Mike