chat with ukpc warden

AlexisV

I've no problem with landowner's wanting to protect their land. The issue is that the current law of contract does not allow them to do so. There is also a conflict of interest between making money and managing the land.

Bringing in new legislation that ticks all the boxes and gives all sides a fair deal (including the PPC's) is very very easy.

But the BPA would rather keep the money making scam going. Why slaughter the cash cow?

The Freedoms Bill fails to do anything other than muddy the water and enable PPCs to stick a bit of threatening legalise on their invoices. But more importantly, it keeps the scam going.

The only threat to the BPA's money making scheme is that the DVLA are coming under increasing pressure for their role in the whole sordid little business.

The BPA's greed will be their undoing I suspect, whereas their lobbying could have been a whole lot more effective if they'd taken a step back and thought beyond the status quo.

TrickyWicky

Stephen_Leak wrote: »

Trespass to goods is defined as "wrongful physical interference with goods that are in the possession of another".

The key word is "wrongful". Causing damage, or causing damage to be done by someone else is wrongful. Just touching isn't.

Well if you've not permitted someone to touch it then it is wrongful.

Get over yourself Stephen, I've worked in parking for years. We used to have people putting leaflets on the cars in our car parks and we'd then consider prosecuting them not just for trespass but for unlawful interference with peoples vehicles. The vehicles were in our care and thus not to be subjected to unsolicited advertising.

trisontana

TrickyWicky wrote: »

Well if you've not permitted someone to touch it then it is wrongful.

Get over yourself Stephen, I've worked in parking for years. We used to have people putting leaflets on the cars in our car parks and we'd then consider prosecuting them not just for trespass but for unlawful interference with peoples vehicles. The vehicles were in our care and thus not to be subjected to unsolicited advertising.

But did you actually prosecute anyone?

Following your logic then a motorist could equally treat a PPC ticket envelope as "unsolicited advertising", because it's not an official document.

Kite2010

trisontana wrote: »

When you think about it the only way that PPCs can make money is by dishing out "parking charge notices". The majority of car-parks they patrol are free - ranging from large retail parks and supermarkets to pub car parks. So no money there. Even if they do operate a P&D car park I doubt if there is much money to be made that way. Finally they usually don't charge a fee to the landowner, in fact some PPCs pay a £10 "bounty" to self-ticketing landowners.

So the parking charge notice is their only source of real income. This was highlighted by that stupid clamper who tried to sue a restaurant owner for "loss of earning" when the man put up a notice in his window warning his customers not to park on the adjacent piece of land because they could be clamped.

Or the various other Parking companies trying to get a "loss of earnings" claim in from the council when they close a road for 6 months so cars can't park in the car-park :rotfl:

Coupon-mad

SodG24 wrote: »

When I get a damaged wiper I'll be going to my nearest Homebase and collecting a G24 invoice. I'll then claim THEY damaged it and claim compensation !!!! In fact I'll carry the broken blade in the car and anytime I get a PPC invoice I'll just click it in, take a photo and issue THEM with an invoice.

In fact there's a whole new game to had here - broken or damaged wiper blades, scratches on the wing where the fat goons lean over to attach the fake PCN ..... the fun is endless !

I like that game - not as much as the beautiful game of course - but it sounds fun!

vax2002

If they were that bothered they would use barriers and ticket machines, the fact they dont is because they make more money by threatening people.

TrickyWicky

trisontana wrote: »

But did you actually prosecute anyone?

Following your logic then a motorist could equally treat a PPC ticket envelope as "unsolicited advertising", because it's not an official document.

No but warning letters were sent to the companies involved.

I don't worry about PPC tickets either. I see them as bum wiping material and harassment. I've still not had one yet though so no need to head to the toilet just yet :rotfl:

trisontana

TrickyWicky wrote: »

No but warning letters were sent to the companies involved.

I don't worry about PPC tickets either. I see them as bum wiping material and harassment. I've still not had one yet though so no need to head to the toilet just yet :rotfl:

And if those warning letters had been ignored, would you have prosecuted? If so under what statute law?

Trebor16

TrickyWicky wrote: »

Well if you've not permitted someone to touch it then it is wrongful.

Get over yourself Stephen, I've worked in parking for years. We used to have people putting leaflets on the cars in our car parks and we'd then consider prosecuting them not just for trespass but for unlawful interference with peoples vehicles. The vehicles were in our care and thus not to be subjected to unsolicited advertising.

Unlawful interference with people's vehicles? Do you mean an offence of vehicle interference under section 9 of the Criminal Attempts Act 1981? If so it is only an offence if it is the intention of the person to steal a vehicle ( or trailer) or part of it, or theft of anything carried on the vehicle or trailer or an offence under section 12 of the Theft Act 1968 (taking a vehicle without consent).

Someone putting a leaflet on a vehicle in the circumstances you describe would not commit an offence under section 9 of the Criminal Attempts Act.

hammer68

everyone lets get back to what we know best and that is helping dish out advice to people who have just had a ticket, all this arguing between each other could be off putting to newbies looking for help.When i originally posted all i was saying was that i wanted to help the owner of the car who i thought was going to get a ticket and ask the ppc guy on how he/they judge how far a car should be over a white line before they issue a ticket. Answering tricky wicky

1,I was not moaning because i had a ticket and some one else did not.

2,If any terms or conditions have changed surely they must be displayed on their signage.

3,As i work in the transport industry i did sign up to the fair fuel petition.

4,politics has nothing to do with PPCs and i couldnt give a rats !!!! about it anyway

5, dont people say us Brits dont moan enough.