Regional Pay

saverbuyer

NAR wrote: »

Because they are from poor EU countries and the minmum wage here is far more than they could ever hope for in their own countries.

Yes but they work and live here. They have to contend with our cost of living not their home country.

steveymp

maginot wrote: »

Hospital cleaners aren't in the public sector! This is the misconception with the public sector and why it is difficult to compare like for like. The lower paid public sector jobs were privatised as these tended to be unskilled. This is why there is a much higher percentage of degree essential jobs in the public sector compared to the private sector and why wages tend to be higher.

Hospital cleaners and domestic staff are in the public sector, private contracts were done a way with a few years ago due to infection control issues and all these services are now 'in house' again. Cleaners, domestics, porters etc. are on NHS pay bands, all be it entry level low bands. Cleaners and kitchen staff tend to be band 1's and porters get band 2 due to security responsibilities.

And YES a good percentage of these staff are Europeans, generally because the locals wont get off the !!! or the dole to do the jobs

qwert_yuiop

steveymp wrote: »

Hospital cleaners and domestic staff are in the public sector, private contracts were done a way with a few years ago due to infection control issues and all these services are now 'in house' again. Cleaners, domestics, porters etc. are on NHS pay bands, all be it entry level low bands. Cleaners and kitchen staff tend to be band 1's and porters get band 2 due to security responsibilities.

And YES a good percentage of these staff are Europeans, generally because the locals wont get off the !!! or the dole to do the jobs

Thank you - I thought that had happened.

And the reason for our economic failure is - laziness.

NAR

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

... and less than our homegrown doledogs are prepared to get out of bed for?

100% agree, but lets not forget as well all the DLA and ESA scroungers who should not be on these benefits! :mad: Truth is these people would have to take a "pay cut" if they went to work, so there is no chance of them becoming employed again!

Truth is, meat plant work is well above minimum wage.
And the last time I looked at a map of Europe, Timor, Mozambique, Brazil and Sao Tome were not on it.

I was replying to post 76 not post 75 regarding meat plant work. Despite having to endure our (quite high) cost of living most of the europeans (and others, Philipinos) all manage to send money home to their families.

qwert_yuiop

NAR wrote: »

100% agree, but lets not forget as well all the DLA and ESA scroungers who should not be on these benefits! :mad: Truth is these people would have to take a "pay cut" if they went to work, so there is no chance of them becoming employed again!

I suspect it's all coming to an end now that the party's either over or pretty near it. I've worked in places where some of these blighters were employed (briefly) and they were only a dead weight on the place. Lads with no English were better since they didn't spend their time whinging and yarning to the rest of us.


send money home to their families.

Thereby extracting millions more from the local economy. It's a crazy world.

NAR

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

Thereby extracting millions more from the local economy. It's a crazy world.

But it is EU law that permits it and the others are here on working visas.

saverbuyer

In all fairness the public sector wage bill is 5 billion. Half the block grant. I agree we have a lazy benefit class but there is a bigger picture about our complete competitiveness.

qwert_yuiop

NAR wrote: »

But it is EU law that permits it and the others are here on working visas.

I'm not saying it's illlegal. I'm just saying it's nuts.

NAR

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

I'm not saying it's illlegal. I'm just saying it's nuts.

And I agree with you. Other than those who have emigrated, or who work in rest of UK or Ireland, you will probably find there are less than 1000 N.I. workers in the rest of the EU working. (And certainly not sending money home to family)

saverbuyer

NAR wrote: »

And I agree with you. Other than those who have emigrated, or who work in rest of UK or Ireland, you will probably find there are less than 1000 N.I. workers in the rest of the EU working. (And certainly not sending money home to family)

I think you could find there are thousands. I know plenty of construction workers who have had to move with the work. N.I. gets its fair share of EU money. The peace funding was worth billions, our farmers still get millions.

We are certainly not "hard done by" when it comes to Europe. We are definitely not net contributors by any stretch of the imagination. Another example of the NI subsidy.