Regional Pay

steveymp

36square wrote: »

Nobody is 'underpaid' in the public or private sector if they're willing to work for the wages offered. However, if pay was reduced in the public sector, we'd begin to see how many are currently overpaid if they did not resign. It is immoral to ask taxpayers to pay people more than is necessary.

:rotfl:

Tell that to a Band 1 cleaner in A&E on a Saturday night, who has to clean up blood, !!!! and vomit whilst dodging the bottles at the same time. Your saying we should cut their pay so as they can sit on the rock and roll and leech even more off the Public purse.

Or you could ask your 11% pay rise MLA

sharnad

36square wrote: »

Nobody is 'underpaid' in the public or private sector if they're willing to work for the wages offered. However, if pay was reduced in the public sector, we'd begin to see how many are currently overpaid if they did not resign. It is immoral to ask taxpayers to pay people more than is necessary.

So the ones in the public sector may no be paid as much as the private but its a job and who in their right mind would leave a job these days.

It's immoral to ask people to work for less than the are worth because you know you can cut their pay and treat them badly and they won't leave as they are worried about not getting employment as their is a lack of jobs out there right now.

36square

steveymp wrote: »

:rotfl:

Tell that to a Band 1 cleaner in A&E on a Saturday night, who has to clean up blood, !!!! and vomit whilst dodging the bottles at the same time. Your saying we should cut their pay so as they can sit on the rock and roll and leech even more off the Public purse.

Or you could ask your 11% pay rise MLA

Well if they can 'leech even more', they ought to do so if they are rational. How much they could leech of course depends on their circumstances. A man with six children could leech much more than a single man with no children but you wouldn't suggest that the former should get paid more than the latter who would most likely be better off in the job however unpleasant it is. As you don't tend to come across many Eastern Europeans in the NHS, it must be more attractive than working in a meat plant.

qwert_yuiop

36square wrote: »

As you don't tend to come across many Eastern Europeans in the NHS, it must be more attractive than working in a meat plant.

....and the meat plant worker is producing a high quality export, in demand internationally, bringing money into NI and going some way towards paying our way in the world. The hospital worker, well paid or not, is not.

qwert_yuiop

sharnad wrote: »

The private sector jobs arent there so people are stuck.

...so why are there so many foreigners working in the private sector? Jobs must be there - the factories aren't charities.

sharnad

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

...so why are there so many foreigners working in the private sector? Jobs must be there - the factories aren't charities.

We are talking about equvalent jobs to public sector work which isnt factory work,

qwert_yuiop

sharnad wrote: »

We are talking about equvalent jobs to public sector work which isnt factory work,

Yes. Weren't you the one who mentioned the private sector jobs not being available? Lots of public sector jobs vary little from factory work - your heroic hospital cleaner will be performing a similar task to the chicken factory cleaner.

I'd like to know how a land with so many unemployed, "disabled" and now the latest hip label, NEETs, has so many foreigners doing the real work.

Are these outsiders taking our jobs that we don't want? Probably. Do some locals need their backside kicked? Definitely.

NAR

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

...so why are there so many foreigners working in the private sector? Jobs must be there - the factories aren't charities.

Because they are from poor EU countries and the minmum wage here is far more than they could ever hope for in their own countries.

maginot

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

Yes. Weren't you the one who mentioned the private sector jobs not being available? Lots of public sector jobs vary little from factory work - your heroic hospital cleaner will be performing a similar task to the chicken factory cleaner.

I'd like to know how a land with so many unemployed, "disabled" and now the latest hip label, NEETs, has so many foreigners doing the real work.

Are these outsiders taking our jobs that we don't want? Probably. Do some locals need their backside kicked? Definitely.

Hospital cleaners aren't in the public sector! This is the misconception with the public sector and why it is difficult to compare like for like. The lower paid public sector jobs were privatised as these tended to be unskilled. This is why there is a much higher percentage of degree essential jobs in the public sector compared to the private sector and why wages tend to be higher.

qwert_yuiop

NAR wrote: »

Because they are from poor EU countries and the minmum wage here is far more than they could ever hope for in their own countries.

... and less than our homegrown doledogs are prepared to get out of bed for?
Truth is, meat plant work is well above minimum wage.

And the last time I looked at a map of Europe, Timor, Mozambique, Brazil and Sao Tome were not on it.