Regional Pay

saverbuyer

steveymp wrote: »

Well you only respond to posts you can have a go at when I answered your question with post 42 you didn't come back.

I am quite aware of the meaning of words, I am educated, thank you very much.

I am sorry for my "entitlement" attitude once again and I am eternally grateful for your tax contributions which pay my massive wage and pension, I can only hope you don't retire soon as the country will fall apart without you :rotfl:

Sorry again but where is the question in post42?

I have to rush here and fertilize the money tree some more and collect a few leprechauns from the bottom of the garden. After all that's where all the money comes to pay the public sector wages isn't it Steve?

steveymp

saverbuyer wrote: »

Sorry again but where is the question in post42?

I have to rush here and fertilize the money tree some more and collect a few leprechauns from the bottom of the garden. After all that's where all the money comes to pay the public sector wages isn't it Steve?

You are correct, there was no question, simply an answer to your question, but you usually can't let it be at that

I can't see how you have time for gardening when you are supporting the entire Public and Welfare sector in our wee country.

saverbuyer

steveymp wrote: »

You are correct, there was no question, simply an answer to your question, but you usually can't let it be at that

I can't see how you have time for gardening when you are supporting the entire Public and Welfare sector in our wee country.

Not on my own Steve, luckily the other 200,000 people working in NI's private sector are starting to realise they are supporting it too. Hopefully the voters in London and the South East (who will see a reduction in their living standards) will wake up to this fact soon and we can develop a proper sustainable wealth creating private sector. Ultimately Sammy and the Folks on the Hill will have no choice in the matter.

NAR

saverbuyer wrote: »

Hopefully the voters in London and the South East (who will see a reduction in their living standards) will wake up to this fact soon and we can develop a proper sustainable wealth creating private sector.

So you think what might happen in London and the South East of England, where there is already a sustainable wealth creating private sector, is somehow going to be miraculously replicated in N.Ireland? All the might of government inward investment groups have failed over the last 30 years to kick start the private sector. So no doubt you are going to enlighten us as to how this sustainable wealth creating private sector in N. Ireland is going to come about?

almillar

Problem with comparing those averages is you're pitting doctors against waitresses, and I'll bet there are plenty at the top of the private sector who are able to hide their wealth for tax efficiency which will skew those figures. Do you think doctors should be paid less saverbuyer? Or the lazy bums sitting in offices all day creating red tape? Because I'm pretty sure that if you just look at civil servants for example, the average wage will not be £29k! You need to compare like for like.

saverbuyer

NAR wrote: »

So you think what might happen in London and the South East of England, where there is already a sustainable wealth creating private sector, is somehow going to be miraculously replicated in N.Ireland? All the might of government inward investment groups have failed over the last 30 years to kick start the private sector. So no doubt you are going to enlighten us as to how this sustainable wealth creating private sector in N. Ireland is going to come about?

No what I am saying is we have a massive public sector, £5 billion in wages, this is funded through the block grant which is funded by the productive sectors of the UK i.e. London and the Southeast. What I am saying is to pay for the public sector wage differential and the public sector wages in general money will have to be borrowed (not possible), printed (high inflation) or the wealth creators will have to be taxed. This will reduce their living standards. The people who make the money will suffer.

So we have a grant administered by Westminster politicians we do not elect paid for by the people who do elect them but see none of the benefits. NI might as well be a million miles for London.

So hopefully the English electorate and tax payers put pressure on NI via a block grant reduction, to reduce public sector pay so we can reduce business tax and create some wealth.

Public sector workers spending money in the economy does not create wealth. NI won't improve by creating more public sector jobs and paying them lots of money.

NI needs to be made more attractive for business.

NAR

saverbuyer wrote: »

Public sector workers spending money in the economy does not create wealth.

It may not create wealth but it does help sustain companies and jobs in the private sector. Reduced spending by public sector workers will put both private sector jobs and companies in danger.

NI needs to be made more attractive for business.

And where is the infrastructure money to facilitate this going to come from? Better roads and transport systems are needed for a start. Reducing corporation tax isn't going to start a stampede of inward investment.
So I ask again:- So no doubt you are going to enlighten us as to how this sustainable wealth creating private sector in N. Ireland is going to come about?

steveymp

saverbuyer wrote: »

Not on my own Steve, luckily the other 200,000 people working in NI's private sector are starting to realise they are supporting it too. Hopefully the voters in London and the South East (who will see a reduction in their living standards) will wake up to this fact soon and we can develop a proper sustainable wealth creating private sector. Ultimately Sammy and the Folks on the Hill will have no choice in the matter.

I actually agree with this one :eek:

I have said since day 1 that the Public sector is over staffed, I work at the sharp end actually dealing with patients, the 12 people behind every front line worker making sure we do our jobs is where the cuts should happen;) but as they also define which services go and which stay, I can't see them cutting their own throats anytime soon

sharnad

saverbuyer wrote: »

I mean well paid in relation to the public - private pay differential. We have a significantly larger pay differential compared to other regions of the UK.
The median for the public sector is 29K compared to 22K for the private. I call 29K with all the public sector benefits to be well paid. A private sector position would need a much higher salary to cover the public sector benefits (pension etc.).

A lot of public sector workers get paid £15,000 - £19,000 and earn less that they would do if they were employed in the same job role in the private sector. The private sector jobs arent there so people are stuck. Yes we should raise public sector wages of those who are underpaid

36square

sharnad wrote: »

A lot of public sector workers get paid £15,000 - £19,000 and earn less that they would do if they were employed in the same job role in the private sector. The private sector jobs arent there so people are stuck. Yes we should raise public sector wages of those who are underpaid

Nobody is 'underpaid' in the public or private sector if they're willing to work for the wages offered. However, if pay was reduced in the public sector, we'd begin to see how many are currently overpaid if they did not resign. It is immoral to ask taxpayers to pay people more than is necessary.