Regional Pay

mamabuddah

just out of curiosity...what exactly does a "low paid" public sector worker earn? and what are their pension terms?....it's just the phrase is often said....but I have never actually heard a figure put on it.

qwert_yuiop

NAR wrote: »

And I agree with you. Other than those who have emigrated, or who work in rest of UK or Ireland, you will probably find there are less than 1000 N.I. workers in the rest of the EU working. (And certainly not sending money home to family)

Actually, plenty in Germany, but it is the only EU state that could be called booming. We're not - I cannot see how we've all this opportunity that can't be taken up by locals. Fair play to anyone able to cross Europe to work in Moypark. And the employment rate in White City Dungannon is what? That's not a typo - I mean employment, not unemployment.

36square

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

....Fair play to anyone able to cross Europe to work in Moypark. And the employment rate in White City Dungannon is what? That's not a typo - I mean employment, not unemployment.

I've no idea what the employment rate is in White City but I think you're telling us that it's pretty low. The fact that low-skilled productive jobs such as MoyPark offers cannot attract local labour tells us that something is deeply wrong with our social security system and that reform is urgently needed. If migrant workers in these jobs have enough left over at the end of the week to remit to their families, then who can argue that the pay is too low.
Migrants add a welcome diversity to our society but we shouldn't need them.

mamabuddah

36square wrote: »

If migrant workers in these jobs have enough left over at the end of the week to remit to their families, then who can argue that the pay is too low.

It's possible that a lot of the "migrant" workers tend to live in shared houses, usually in clusters of a minimum of 3 or 4 per home, shared utility bills, shared rent etc...comparing that to a long time resident , perhaps married with children and a mortgage to pay...its easy to see why foreign workers find it attractive and have money left over at the end of the month.

Its all relative...if all you have to do is pay rent (shared) pay food bills (shared) pay utility bills (shared) and party at the weekend...I would imagine even on a low income...you still would have money left...

again as I previously asked...does anyone actually know what a "low pay" public sector worker earns?...wonder would it be better to start a thread of its own...no one seems to know...

36square

mamabuddah wrote: »

It's possible that a lot of the "migrant" workers tend to live in shared houses, usually in clusters of a minimum of 3 or 4 per home, shared utility bills, shared rent etc...comparing that to a long time resident , perhaps married with children and a mortgage to pay...its easy to see why foreign workers find it attractive and have money left over at the end of the month.

Its all relative...if all you have to do is pay rent (shared) pay food bills (shared) pay utility bills (shared) and party at the weekend...I would imagine even on a low income...you still would have money left...

If you lived anywhere near where migrant workers are concentrated you would know that they have children. In some primary schools they account for more than 20% of the enrolment. And what has a mortgage got to do with it since people in this kind of employment would not be expected to be owner occupiers.

mamabuddah

36square wrote: »

If you lived anywhere near where migrant workers are concentrated you would know that they have children. not all have children, in fact the majority that I see are young and single.In some primary schools they account for more than 20% of the enrolment. not near where I live, the % of children is a lot lower than the figure you quoteAnd what has a mortgage got to do with it since people in this kind of employment would not be expected to be owner occupiers the point I made was, what I have seen are houses or flats with 3 or 4 people living in them, sharing expenses, i.e. 4 incomes in one household as opposed to long term residents who took the plunge and opted for a mortgage to purchase their own homes, so instead of a £600 rent split between 4 workers you get the situation where there is a family with only one working now caught in the "mortgage trap" paying £600+ a month, hence why they can spend so much on partying, drinking and sending money home.

hopefully that explains my reasoning for you

steveymp

mamabuddah wrote: »

just out of curiosity...what exactly does a "low paid" public sector worker earn? and what are their pension terms?....it's just the phrase is often said....but I have never actually heard a figure put on it.

I work in the Health service but have no idea what civil service rates are. Almost all health service employees where moved onto new pay bands from 1-9 in 2004 under the Agenda for Change scheme.

The "Low Paid" health service workers, cleaners, domestics etc.. will be on Band 1 which starts at £14,153 as of April 2012 and increments to £14,864 at the top of the scale. Everyone in the Health Service has the option to opt in for the Superannuation Pension scheme, for a Band 1 this is 5% of your total wage.

NAR

steveymp wrote: »

I work in the Health service but have no idea what civil service rates are.

Entry level Civil Servants are on 5 point(year) scale £15,619 to £17,533 wef 1 Aug 2011.

illaghee

Well it just proves how out of touch with reality conservative party is. Up north we are already treat like the ugly sister, like people having less money to spend in the local economy is going to help. Also we pay the same at the pump, supermarket, tv license and so on so are all the prices on these things going to drop wher they implement regional pay. Lets face it we already get a bad deal a tv is the same price in currys up north as it is down south. Also same with electricity and gas water are all the prices on them going to drop for these people they are going to kick in the teeth. Its not our fault its so expensive to live in london maybe they should pay the right amount of council tax so these people who live ther can afford a decent wage. It should be the price you pay for living in london. We need are own constituency in the north east wher we decide what we do with the 80 billion pounds our economy generates a year. Its like this tax payers they built a tunnel in london to ease congestion i forget the name of it. It cost 400 million to build you know who picked that bill up, everyone in uk. As u know here northeast we have zero growth in our economy and even with a toll reduction on the humber bridge we still have to pay the debt off. So if they want to start talking about a fair society try treating people fairly.

Polly

:think:Everyone seems to assume that introducing regional pay levels will mean that NI employees will have their pay frozen or reduced. I worked for many years for a GB based company who had employees across the UK, including NI. They carried out a regional pay exercise and I ended up being paid the same as the staff in the south of England due to our high cost of living ie fuel, electricity costs etc. The staff who came off worst were those living in the north of England who had their pay frozen for several years. Just a thought...:think: