Regional Pay

NAR

redped wrote: »

So I can't see how you can make out the public sector is alone in all of this - both public and private sectors have had to endure tough times, with both sectors having real-term pay reductions.

Where did I state anything of the sort? :question: :question: :question:

What I said was that if public sector workers available spending money reduces it will be the private sector that will be mainly affected - that should be obvious to a blind man. Growth in the private sector in N.I is nil at present and no sign of it improving.

So if the public sector workers are welcomed to the real world, then the private sector better be ready for the backlash - more shops closing, factory payoffs etc etc. Is this what is really wanted?

36square

NAR wrote: »

Where did I state anything of the sort? :question: :question: :question:

What I said was that if public sector workers available spending money reduces it will be the private sector that will be mainly affected - that should be obvious to a blind man. Growth in the private sector in N.I is nil at present and no sign of it improving.

So if the public sector workers are welcomed to the real world, then the private sector better be ready for the backlash - more shops closing, factory payoffs etc etc. Is this what is really wanted?

This argument is complete nonsense. It implies that the more we pay public sector employees, the better off we'll all be in spite of having to bear higher taxes. That might make a tiny bit of sense if public sector employees spent most of their money on goods and services from NI. Of course they don't. Instead they create demand for Spanish tourism, German cars, and almost anything Chinese.
In fact it would be a lot cheaper to pay public sector employees as little as possible, keep taxes as low as possible and encourage more people to use their talents in the private sector providing the goods and services that can be exchanged for all the things that we like to buy from abroad.

36square

NAR wrote: »

Where did I state anything of the sort? :question: :question: :question:

What I said was that if public sector workers available spending money reduces it will be the private sector that will be mainly affected - that should be obvious to a blind man. Growth in the private sector in N.I is nil at present and no sign of it improving.

So if the public sector workers are welcomed to the real world, then the private sector better be ready for the backlash - more shops closing, factory payoffs etc etc. Is this what is really wanted?

This argument is complete nonsense. It implies that the more we pay public sector employees, the better off we'll all be in spite of having to bear higher taxes. That might make a tiny bit of sense if public sector employees spent most of their money on goods and services from NI. Of course they don't. Instead they create demand for Spanish tourism, German cars, and almost anything Chinese.
In fact it would be a lot cheaper to pay public sector employees as little as possible, keep taxes as low as possible and encourage more people to use their talents in the private sector providing the goods and services that can be exchanged for all the things that we like to buy from abroad.

pennypusher

Nobody mentions the fact that we in public service pay in to our pensions and the government spend all that money helping the country. The public service average pension is £6000 not a vast amount. If we didn't pay in to it the government would be paying us benefits when we retire because we would then qualify for benefits just like those who don't pay in to a pension now.

The last time they raised the minimum wage the government was in the position of having to raise the wages of our lowest paid staff because it was below the limit.

I would like to see how our members of parliament are coping. I believe they will still have a final salary pension unlike the rest of us. If we are all in it together someone explain to me how that works?

I'm in the unfortunate position of being one of those who's pension age has now risen from 60 to 66 or 67 I can't keep up - will I ever reach retirement age before it goes up again.

Of course the latest lovely idea is that there should be regional pay rates - well not having had a pay rise for 3 years and probably not for the next two as the 1% was supposed to be averaged out it now looks like we'll get our pay reduced. Does the Government value its civil servants - I don't think so! I'm willing to be proved wrong if anyone thinks otherwise.

We pay our bankers great bonuses for losing the banks money (oh yes forgot it is our money) but that doesn't matter - instead it's lets bash civil servant time.

Please don't confuse ordinary civil servants with our government who get paid vast sums of money unlike the rest of us who work hard and get knocked all the time.

Indo77

This has always been a tactic by the Tories and one that they are masters of - to create deep anger among the working classes with eachother (dole chasers, public vs private sector etc). If the 50% tax rate is abolished it will make almost no difference since anyone who earns huge amounts of cash have always found ways to avoid paying this tax rate. Do you really think a premiere league footballer on £250,000 a week is paying 50% tax?

It's the sheep like us who fund everything while the Tories and their rich banker mates pay next to nothing into the public purse. But of course we are too busy arguing among ourselves while our Etonian overlords laugh at us. You would think at the last election that the Tories got a landslide majority the way they are now governing. People need to wake up to what is actually happening. We are all being screwed at the expense of the few, Daily Mail readers take note.

getzls

Indo77 wrote: »

This has always been a tactic by the Tories and one that they are masters of - to create deep anger among the working classes with eachother (dole chasers, public vs private sector etc). If the 50% tax rate is abolished it will make almost no difference since anyone who earns huge amounts of cash have always found ways to avoid paying this tax rate. Do you really think a premiere league footballer on £250,000 a week is paying 50% tax?

It's the sheep like us who fund everything while the Tories and their rich banker mates pay next to nothing into the public purse. But of course we are too busy arguing among ourselves while our Etonian overlords laugh at us. You would think at the last election that the Tories got a landslide majority the way they are now governing. People need to wake up to what is actually happening. We are all being screwed at the expense of the few, Daily Mail readers take note.

Baa! all too true, Baa!

NAR

36square wrote: »

This argument is complete nonsense. It implies that the more we pay public sector employees, the better off we'll all be in spite of having to bear higher taxes.

Once again total nonsence. This thread is about regional pay further reducing public sector salaries. If you cannot see the knock on affect of this on the private sector, well more fool you. BTW do private sector employees spend all their money on home grown products? Who drives the most BMWs? You are so stupid you made a fool of yourself twice! :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

jeffer

Spirit wrote: »

For example Nurses in the South of England need many more multiples of salary to get on the housing ladder than they would if living in the North of England.

So people here and elsewhere should get paid less so that nurses in the south of England can 'get on the housing ladder'? Ludicrous.

qwert_yuiop

It all seems perfectly reasonable to me. I got a London weighting payment when I was over there. I have to say I see no reason why there shouldn't be a Portadown subtraction since it's so much cheaper to live back here.

Apparently back in the 50's NI public sector had much lower salaries than England.

Fathero3

If there's a Portadown subtraction, then the same logic would suggest that there should also be a Belfast weighting to reflect its higher house prices.

Where would it stop, the whole idea opens a Pandora's box of local disputes to resolve.