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Likely outcome of refusal to supply cv to working links
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Another poster who has not properly read the thread. He is not refusing to show working links his cv. He is refusing storage of it and limitless access of it by third parties something which it appears the law supports.
Casting aspersions on his character really is unfair and out of order. For one thing his answers are being relayed through me.
Apologies-yes I understand now..
Then why does he not stipulate that he does not want his CV to be stored and accessed to all in sundry i.e third parties etc.?
Is there a way he could form a written agreement with the JC to lay down the condition that he does not want his CV to be stored and accessed? There's got to be a way to do this.
I have found this link you could have a look at>>http://www.ico.gov.uk/for_organisations/data_protection.aspx
Have a read and see what you think...
I think the JSA have a legal obligation to protect personal information under the Data Protection Act 1988..
I also found this>>http://www.consent.me.uk/
Scroll down to paragraph number 4 and 10 in the link above..interesting reading and this is what you could be looking for.. however,do read all of it as it refers to how to protect all your personal info etc..0 -
bloomingflower wrote: »Apologies-yes I understand now..
Then why does he not stipulate that he does not want his CV to be stored and accessed to all in sundry i.e third parties etc.?
Is there a way he could form a written agreement with the JC to lay down the condition that he does not want his CV to be stored and accessed? There's got to be a way to do this.
I have found this link you could have a look at>>http://www.ico.gov.uk/for_organisations/data_protection.aspx
Have a read and see what you think...
Ok. He is on a mandatory work scheme. He alleges that within five minutes of his induction the working links 'consultant' mentioned the possibility of sanctioning many times. What an attempt at creating a climate of fear and servility! Disgraceful! This got his back up. Repeated administrative errors have led to him having no faith in this organisation. This is not a political point. In my case it most definitely would be.
As a result he has decided that he will adhere no more than is absolutely necessary to the requirements of working links and job seekers allowance.
When the question of the stored cv was brought up in a working links session, and refusal to supply was mentioned the consultant between the lines suggested that sanctioning could be an outcome. The evidence points to this being possibly illegal. If government appointed private companies are using these underhand tactics to me that is an issue on its own. Nevermind the data protection issue.As surely as night follows day capitalism will come crumbling down. On a mission to secure a just and ethical society.0 -
bloomingflower wrote: »
I think the JSA have a legal obligation to protect personal information under the Data Protection Act 1988..
I also found this>>http://www.consent.me.uk/
Scroll down to paragraph number 10 in the link above..interesting reading and this is what you could be looking for.. however,do read all of it as it refers to how to protect all your personal info etc..
Many thanks. Yes, we know the consent site and are basing our approach on that information.
The data protection issue seems a given. He is entitled to refuse to comply with the cv request.
However, this question still remains. What repercussions will follow? Legal or not!As surely as night follows day capitalism will come crumbling down. On a mission to secure a just and ethical society.0 -
I would enjoy political debate with you at anytime. But not within the confines of this thread because its intention is not political. I don't know his political beliefs (if he has any). But I can say this. He supports some of the changes to incapacity/esa. It stands to reason that I do not.To be honest you and your friend seem to hate anything and everything that is government oriented and refuses to comply with what everybody else sees as normal!
Quite clearly the money. And vastly overpriced for what these so-called 'provider' provide. They are a drain on the taxpayer; not benefit claimants.What is the prize? Maybe you mean a payment that the agency will get when they get your friend into a job?Oh here we go, another anti ATOS'er!
Did it not become abused?
The DWP'S own stats declare that even extrapolated levels of fraud is only 0.5% of claimants.As surely as night follows day capitalism will come crumbling down. On a mission to secure a just and ethical society.0 -
Many thanks. Yes, we know the consent site and are basing our approach on that information.
The data protection issue seems a given. He is entitled to refuse to comply with the cv request.
However, this question still remains. What repercussions will follow? Legal or not!
Just one more thing to add..on the issue of repercussions etc
It might be an idea to contact the ICO, they have a helpline>>0303 123 1113. They are very good if you need any advice about the law etc...
They have helped me in the past.
Give them a ring and they will try and help you and your friend on how to move forward from the situation..0 -
Maybe you would like the government to accept the MED 3 as confirmation that the claimant cannot work and on that basis pay out sickness benefit?
I would take the findings of my own GP far more readily than the ATOS computer which knows more about playing chess than accurately and fairly assessing a claimants health!As surely as night follows day capitalism will come crumbling down. On a mission to secure a just and ethical society.0 -
Simplistically a cv is whatever you make it, including qualifications, experience, personal qualities etc, so producing a cv is not unreasonable. The cv can be as full or empty as he decides.0
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Simplistically a cv is whatever you make it, including qualifications, experience, personal qualities etc, so producing a cv is not unreasonable. The cv can be as full or empty as he decides.
I find compulsion in supplying a cv to be stored and accessible to third parties unacceptable. The data protection act appears to allow you to make that value choice.
Given the threats of sanction it would seem logical that a half hearted, diluted effort, would not be accepted. Remember:the provider has to make their money.
But I see you're point!As surely as night follows day capitalism will come crumbling down. On a mission to secure a just and ethical society.0 -
I find compulsion in supplying a cv to be stored and accessible to third parties unacceptable. The data protection act appears to allow you to make that value choice.
Given the threats of sanction it would seem logical that a half hearted, diluted effort, would not be accepted. Remember:the provider has to make their money.
But I see you're point!
I record all my sessions, i'd imagine if they tried to sanction your friend or where recorded threatening too in the way you describe you would have their balls in a vice since they are infringing your rights.
Personally having had 4 or 5 sessions with my provider i can clearly see they don't know their !!!! from their elbow, for a start they have absolutely no idea what to do with ESA claimants sent to them on a compulsory basis.
Ironically i am looking for work but would never tell them so, because they would most likely push to hard and i would end up in a spiralling relapse of my condition, they have no idea how to deal with disabled claimants.
I wonder if i find work off my own back if they will still get their allowance from the Government, i would imagine i am worth a pretty penny.
Incidentally who is the provider? You might be interested in viewing their minimum service agreements with your friend it is in my posting history under 'threads started by...'.
Also to the poster that suggested submitting a second rate cv, the second the get it through the door they will want to change it so it's 'optimum.' CV writing is part of their specialism as employment advisers, if you say no they will definately have grounds to sanction.
It's like selling your soul to the Devil the second you say yes you are subject to a barrage of additional requirements that all relate to optimum job seeking and are therefore definately going to be sanctionable on refusal.
Its the same for someone like myself if i was to volunteer to job seek thus waiving the ESA restrictions on my provider their is no way i would be able to reverse my decision. If my health was to deteriorate i wouldn't be able to go back on my decision, they would be able to bombard me with as much or as little work as they wish. You would have to be insane to agree to that with a variable, chronic condition like mine!0 -
To be honest you and your friend seem to hate anything and everything that is government oriented and refuses to comply with what everybody else sees as normal!
What is the prize? Maybe you mean a payment that the agency will get when they get your friend into a job?
What has standing up got to do with it? I have worked for 44 years and have never had to stand up to do my job. Mind you I did wear out the backside of my suits quite regularly!
Oh here we go, another anti ATOS'er!
Maybe you would like the government to accept the MED 3 as confirmation that the claimant cannot work and on that basis pay out sickness benefit?
Errr wasn't that what happened with the old IB system? Did it not become abused?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4198504/590000-on-sickness-benefit-are-fit-as-a-fiddle.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17379564
Need I say anymore?
That's pretty rich coming from somebody who's been pulling a sickie for the past two and a half years!0
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