Likely outcome of refusal to supply cv to working links

FOX_HOUND

!!!!!! wrote: »

So working links are acting a bit like an agency.

However they have their hands tied because they don't have his CV so can not identify suitable roles.

Yes, they can. He will provide sight of his cv at their job search meetings. However, he plans to refuse to comply to having his cv stored which 3 posters have stated he is fully permitted to do under the legislation of the data protection act.

The DWP'S own guidelines declare that 'alternative methods' should be found. Its in the document I quoted earlier.

FOX_HOUND

cit_k wrote: »

Might be worth contacting the police/serious fraud office if working links are misleading claimaints into providing information that enables working links to earn money.

If they are, as described, actually putting claimaints under duress of sanction (where no sanction can legally be imposed) in order to obtain the CV, which will be used to meet a target which results in payment, then that to me is fraud.

a4e have already been investigated for fraud - why not report any evidence to the same people that investigated a4e - the Serious Fraud office.

It can be done online - anonomously.

Yes, the latest consultant did not in so many words threaten sanctioning. However, she did say that due to his refusal to comply with the cv request, that would result in working links hands being forced in contacting the job centre.

Sounds like the same thing to me especially given the fact that the possibilty of sanctioning in not complying to working links' terms and conditions was said many times in his induction. So I don't believe its stretching it too far in linking the two.

The pernicious element of this is that the consultant probably knows that demanding a cv is probably illegal. On second thoughts though, given the quality of some of the staff these providers employ, maybe not!

Miss_Voodoo

FOX_HOUND wrote: »

You only have to fulfill the job seekers agreement.

Climbing Mount Everest is not required!

If you actually want to try to secure employment, you will need to do an awful lot more than simply fulfilling the Jobseeker's Agreement.

If you are looking at it like that, it proves you are merely ticking the boxes in order to get the money, and have little or no interest in finding work. In my opinion.

Mara69

FOX_HOUND wrote: »

At least I've got some. Unlike you.

And you can tell that from an internet forum?

Constructive advice would be to tell your friend to stop fannying around.

FOX_HOUND

Miss_Voodoo wrote: »

If you actually want to try to secure employment, you will need to do an awful lot more than simply fulfilling the Jobseeker's Agreement.

If you are looking at it like that, it proves you are merely ticking the boxes in order to get the money, and have little or no interest in finding work. In my opinion.

Hello Miss Voodoo.

I have to ask if you have read the thread from the beginning? It is not about me, it is on behalf of a friend. Believing that or not is of course your business.

He fulfills the requirements of the job seekers agreement which as I understand it is applying for at least 3 jobs per week/fortnight (not being in receipt of it, not sure), reading the jobs section in the papers and on-line, cold calling employers and so on.

He informs me that he actually exceeds the legal requirements in applying for as many jobs that are available and suitable. He cannot do just any job as there are health issues. He has also fulfilled all required obligations of the work programme provider-working links.

I do not know the ins and outs of all his jobseeking but suffice to say I am told that the job centre have no issues with his performance. In the eyes of the law he is doing all he needs to do and more often than not, more.

If fulfilling the current level of jsa obligations is in your view not enough; as you believe they are too lenient, then you can always campaign to toughen them.

bloomingflower

I really can't believe how people are even giving this thread the time of day to be honest in relation to the OP's friend. (including myself! lol)

There are so many people who submit their CV's to help them find work. This has been usual practice if you want to get somewhere in order to find suitable employment.

Why is it so difficult for this person to at least let Working Links see his? is there something on there that he would rather not disclose? or what is it? Very strange indeed.

So what if he is sanctioned? he is the only one who has to suffer the consequences. Does he eat or live on fresh air? He will be cutting off his nose to spite his face.

Worst still, if he also has a family to support they are the ones who will go hungry as a consequence of his stupidity!

FOX_HOUND

Mara69 wrote: »

Constructive advice would be to tell your friend to stop fannying around.

Is that what's he's doing?

I see it as a principled stand.

And likely to be a legal one.

bloomingflower

FOX_HOUND wrote: »

Hello Miss Voodoo.

I have to ask if you have read the thread from the beginning? It is not about me, it is on behalf of a friend. Believing that or not is of course your business.

He fulfills the requirements of the job seekers agreement which as I understand it is applying for at least 3 jobs per week/fortnight (not being in receipt of it, not sure), reading the jobs section in the papers and on-line, cold calling employers and so on.

He informs me that he actually exceeds the legal requirements in applying for as many jobs that are available and suitable. He cannot do just any job as there are health issues. He has also fulfilled all required obligations of the work programme provider-working links.

I do not know the ins and outs of all his jobseeking but suffice to say I am told that the job centre have no issues with his performance. In the eyes of the law he is doing all he needs to do and more often than not, more.

If fulfilling the current level of jsa obligations is in your view not enough; as you believe they are too lenient, then you can always campaign to toughen them.

Foxhound-I posted just after you posted the above.

To be fair to your friend, you didn't mention in your first post about his health issues. This obviously throws a different light on his situation. Some posters have come down hard on him regarding his reluctance to submit his CV etc..(I am no exception)

However, if he has health issues,why is he even claiming JSA in the first place? have I missed something? I could be wrong.

FOX_HOUND

bloomingflower wrote: »

Why is it so difficult for this person to at least let Working Links see his? is there something on there that he would rather not disclose? or what is it? Very strange indeed.

Another poster who has not properly read the thread. He is not refusing to show working links his cv. He is refusing storage of it and limitless access of it by third parties something which it appears the law supports.

Casting aspersions on his character really is unfair and out of order. For one thing his answers are being relayed through me.

FOX_HOUND

bloomingflower wrote: »

Foxhound-I posted just after you posted the above.

To be fair to your friend, you didn't mention in your first post about his health issues. This obviously throws a different light on his situation.

If he has health issues,why is he even claiming JSA in the first place? have I missed something? I could be wrong.

The health issues are relevant in that in the real world working links could potentially forward him into employment that he could possibly not last at in order for their prize. He was assessed by Atos and got 0 points even though he has joint pain which would prohibit employment where long periods of standing are required.

However, being found fit for work by atos because the goalposts have been moved is very far from a person being truly fit for work. But that is for another thread. And I disclose my interest. I am a virulent anti-atos campaigner.