Euro Car Parks - ticket and now Debt Recovery

Coupon-mad

fatdaz wrote: »

please help, i think i get the general idea from previous posts but unsure of last post since 1st october?

received a parking charge notice today from euro car parks...

This is one thread of thousands, the info is already on the forum. This 'new law'/1st October guff has been covered endless times and I last posted this yesterday, and the day before...

It has been discussed to death TBH and you could have just searched the forum - but we always reply because it's important that people know that fake PCNs have not suddenly become magically enforceable!

So here's the same old summary again (sorry to the regulars) :



The registered keeper doesn't 'have to' do anything at all. These fake PCNs are as unenforceable as they ever were - it's just that these scam firms are now able to aim their threatograms at the registered keeper if they are not informed who the driver was.

Big deal...the keeper can still make paper aeroplanes out of them as we always did, just as shown by Tim Cary, the expert Solicitor in this Watchdog clip!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAIcdi9niHA


A SUMMARY:

As far as private parking ticket scams are concerned, for a vehicle where you or family are the registered keeper*:

Any fake PCN issued for an incident up until 30th Sept 2012 = IGNORE IT.

Any fake PCN issued for an incident from 1st October 2012 onwards:

- if you were parked in Scotland or NI = IGNORE IT.

- if your 'ticket' is from a firm who are NOT members of the BPA AOS, or are one of five AOS members currently banned from getting data = IGNORE IT.

- if your 'ticket' is from a non-banned by the DVLA!! AOS member in England/Wales, there are 2 choices:

a) IGNORE IT, as ever, playing snap with the threatograms that match our sticky thread 'PPC letter chains' (near the top of this parking forum),

or

b) Appeal it with help from here in how to word it, and insist on a referral to the POPLA appeals service if it's not cancelled. Costs the PPC £32 plus, costs you nothing, it's not binding on you but it is binding on the PPC. If you do not win your appeal then revert to ignore mode.

This option is for those who want to fight back, cost the PPC money and test the POPLA system whilst also getting their PPC's tactics scrutinised; start by reading threads about POPLA. Recent posters have had great success by using email and wording it not as an appeal but a complaint, and copying in the retailer/landowner to that complaint. Also by making it obvious to the PPC that you now about POPLA and want a verfication code if they don't cancel within 35 days.

Finally, if anyone gets any fake PCN anywhere in the UK in a retail, cinema, fast food or Supermarket car park then even if you choose to ignore the scammers then COMPLAIN IN WRITING to the CEO of the company on site if you were a customer. Do not appeal to them, complain about this protection racket against their paying ex-customers.

HTH





* it is different for hire/lease/company cars as you could find the fake PCN paid for you! Here is a thread about what to do (whether AOS scheme member or not, you need to appeal to hook the PPC in your direction).

fatdaz

sorry i realise its been discussed a million times! i have read a fair amount of threads, its just a bit unknown when it first happens to you, and maybe with different circumstances in each case, just wanted to be sure....but it seems the general response is - ignore it :rotfl:

so do people actually park on private car parks and not pay,or park wherever they like knowing that its not going to cost them anything? :cool:

Coupon-mad

fatdaz wrote: »

so do people actually park on private car parks and not pay,or park wherever they like knowing that its not going to cost them anything? :cool:

Nope! That's the opposite of what we advocate.

The reason being is that we are not here telling people to park unsociably, or not to pay a reasonable small fee for parking. That's all OK and of course people should pay a small P&D fee if they can't find a free car park!

If we told people it was OK not to pay, then we would actually be perpetuating the MYTH spread by PPCs that there is a need for their 'services'. There is no need for PPCs at all and we never suggest people cause issues that could make a landowner or retailer think PPCs are a good idea.

We advocate lots of complaints about PPCs to landowners/retailers though!

And of course we would never pay a private parking ticket. Both of mine were for overstaying in free Supermarket car parks whilst shopping. Tough. ''The customer is king'' and I was shopping onsite and spending money so there was no loss to the retailers. I did not set out to overstay but there is certainly never any money owed to a third party protection racketeer hanging about in the car park to leech off people who know no different.

Oh, and my first fake PCN 5 years ago was from Euro Car Parks too! Laughed my head off as soon as I saw it, I had been hoping I would get one for a year or so - as I already knew it was all a scam industry. I have all the threatograms in my handbag still, to show friends & spread the word about this con.

fatdaz

so parking in a disabled bay by accident as explained in my first post, for 15 mins in a free carpark and them putting the wrong reg on ticket, what would you do?

taffy056

fatdaz wrote: »

so parking in a disabled bay by accident as explained in my first post, for 15 mins in a free carpark and them putting the wrong reg on ticket, what would you do?

Ignore it of course , they have no right to issue penalties which this is, also as parking bays are meaningless on private land and are there for guidance only. Parking in disabled bays if you are not disabled is not a good thing but it doesn't mean you should be punished which this is, so therefore not legal.

fatdaz

ok thanks very much...just to add it was a genuine mistake, kids crying - rushing bla bla bla etc etc i know its not right to park in disabled bays and never would do intentionally.

taffy056

Most people will not intentionally park in a way that inconvenience others, but parking companies are not in the business of parking management, they are in the business of ripping people off. NCP are the latest to lose a high profile case in court they must pay £2,800 compensation plus legal costs of probably tend of thousands as barristers were involved who charge hugely for such things.